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<blockquote data-quote="ezo" data-source="post: 9309185" data-attributes="member: 7037866"><p>Ok, so with point (1) I think it is a good thing but honestly I feel like WotC is almost over-compensating with it at times. Now, before anyone wants to discuss this point, know beforehand I am not discussing it further.</p><p></p><p>As to point (2), I remember Comliness from AD&D. IMO there is a big difference between physical attractiveness and physical <em>beauty</em>. For example, I see women who I can acknowledge are physically "beautiful", but I do not find "attractive" at all.</p><p></p><p>When we look at ability scores in 5E, we see them in the light that they can be improved. It is hard to improve on physical beauty, and as for attraction--well, people like what they like and there really is no understanding it. I always have preferred women I date to have something "different" about them, something others might not find attractive, but I do.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Nothing I can think of, off-hand. I wish we did.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Well, I think there are reasons not to. Some are admittedly distasteful but they are there.</p><p></p><p>Now, I'll give you an example from my first D&D game. One of the PCs was a Dragonborn Sorcerer, not particularly tall, but weighed over 300 lbs IIRC. Since he had a STR 10, the DM said the PC was "fat" (that high BMI you mention), and the player laughed a bit (he is a VERY skinny guy!), and to be clear it wasn't because he finds fat funny, it was because he knew he couldn't <em>relate</em> to being that way. Still, he went with it, but asked the DM if his PC could "lose weight". The reason being as he adventured more, he felt he would naturally reduce his weight (walking everywhere, being generally more physically active, etc. The DM and player worked out a system, and I think the PC lost something like 60-80 lbs over the course of our 1-20 level campaign. I recall at 12th or 16th levels, the player actually spent his ASI to increase his STR +2, to represent all the exercise, muscle gain, etc.</p><p></p><p>People in poor health for whatever reason, or other conditions which could interfere with the typical rigors of adventuring, would have a hard time as adventurers. A lot of people don't like to think about the challenges such people face IRL, so don't want it in a fantasy game, either.</p><p></p><p>As much as many people might not like it, a lot of players relate to the "medieval" history (or other ages) of our world. Historically, many cultures in the past (even recently) would kill infants with obvious disabilities, thinking these children were inferior, etc.</p><p></p><p>What is most unfortunate IMO, is when someone has a disability and is identified by it, others overlook the many qualities such an individual might have. I remember when I was teaching, and another teacher had a 5-yo daughter with a severe mental disability, something that would likely be fatal at some point. It was amazing that this little girl knew and understood what was going on in her life, and she was so full of life, energy, and happiness it was contagious! In a big way it made me ashamed of myself. I like to think I've helped a lot of people as a teacher, children in summer schools, inmates getting their GEDs or dipolmas in prison, teaching overseas. But this little girl made me question being a teacher. I felt like I would have better served humankind if I had become a doctor and researched for cures for such conditions. Who knows, maybe I would have found a cure for her before it was too late.</p><p></p><p></p><p>This is going to haunt me forever, isn't it? <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite18" alt=":ROFLMAO:" title="ROFL :ROFLMAO:" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":ROFLMAO:" /></p><p></p><p>It was good timing though, my post was getting too deep.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="ezo, post: 9309185, member: 7037866"] Ok, so with point (1) I think it is a good thing but honestly I feel like WotC is almost over-compensating with it at times. Now, before anyone wants to discuss this point, know beforehand I am not discussing it further. As to point (2), I remember Comliness from AD&D. IMO there is a big difference between physical attractiveness and physical [I]beauty[/I]. For example, I see women who I can acknowledge are physically "beautiful", but I do not find "attractive" at all. When we look at ability scores in 5E, we see them in the light that they can be improved. It is hard to improve on physical beauty, and as for attraction--well, people like what they like and there really is no understanding it. I always have preferred women I date to have something "different" about them, something others might not find attractive, but I do. Nothing I can think of, off-hand. I wish we did. Well, I think there are reasons not to. Some are admittedly distasteful but they are there. Now, I'll give you an example from my first D&D game. One of the PCs was a Dragonborn Sorcerer, not particularly tall, but weighed over 300 lbs IIRC. Since he had a STR 10, the DM said the PC was "fat" (that high BMI you mention), and the player laughed a bit (he is a VERY skinny guy!), and to be clear it wasn't because he finds fat funny, it was because he knew he couldn't [I]relate[/I] to being that way. Still, he went with it, but asked the DM if his PC could "lose weight". The reason being as he adventured more, he felt he would naturally reduce his weight (walking everywhere, being generally more physically active, etc. The DM and player worked out a system, and I think the PC lost something like 60-80 lbs over the course of our 1-20 level campaign. I recall at 12th or 16th levels, the player actually spent his ASI to increase his STR +2, to represent all the exercise, muscle gain, etc. People in poor health for whatever reason, or other conditions which could interfere with the typical rigors of adventuring, would have a hard time as adventurers. A lot of people don't like to think about the challenges such people face IRL, so don't want it in a fantasy game, either. As much as many people might not like it, a lot of players relate to the "medieval" history (or other ages) of our world. Historically, many cultures in the past (even recently) would kill infants with obvious disabilities, thinking these children were inferior, etc. What is most unfortunate IMO, is when someone has a disability and is identified by it, others overlook the many qualities such an individual might have. I remember when I was teaching, and another teacher had a 5-yo daughter with a severe mental disability, something that would likely be fatal at some point. It was amazing that this little girl knew and understood what was going on in her life, and she was so full of life, energy, and happiness it was contagious! In a big way it made me ashamed of myself. I like to think I've helped a lot of people as a teacher, children in summer schools, inmates getting their GEDs or dipolmas in prison, teaching overseas. But this little girl made me question being a teacher. I felt like I would have better served humankind if I had become a doctor and researched for cures for such conditions. Who knows, maybe I would have found a cure for her before it was too late. This is going to haunt me forever, isn't it? :ROFLMAO: It was good timing though, my post was getting too deep. [/QUOTE]
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