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<blockquote data-quote="Greenfield" data-source="post: 6081465" data-attributes="member: 6669384">Okay, as someone who's been out of the game for a long time, you may not realize just how many supplements have been released.&nbsp; Vow of Poverty is from the *OPTIONAL* book, Book of Exalted Deeds.As someone pointed out to me recently, there are a couple of things from that book that *aren't* broken.&nbsp; Vow of Poverty isn't one of them.Now, to be fair, it doesn't have to be broken.&nbsp; It's just that, for a few classes, it is.&nbsp; Any class that wasn't particularly gear-reliant before gets supercharged by that feat.&nbsp; Monks in particular get a lot out of it.&nbsp; Sorcerers can as well, and Druids get a hefty boost as well.The key is, if they had gear restrictions before then they aren't really giving up much of anything.On the broader scale, don't let players bring in things from books you aren't familiar with.&nbsp; Now, if you want to be a, ahem, Richard about it, know and enforce the limits on the Vow:&nbsp; You have to be Good with a capital G, and &quot;of highest moral character&quot;, which many take as meaning Lawful with a capital L.&nbsp; Like a Paladin, a single Evil act pops the bubble and all those goodies go away.&nbsp; Permanently.If you want to be more up-front about it, just cast Dispel BS and tell him no.&nbsp; However you handle it, get comfortable with saying no until you're up to speed, and make it the default answer when someone wants to bring in stuff from a book you aren't using.&nbsp; At the same time, read whatever is available and get familiar with the other books.That way, when you have to say no to something, it will be an informed no.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Greenfield, post: 6081465, member: 6669384"] Okay, as someone who's been out of the game for a long time, you may not realize just how many supplements have been released. Vow of Poverty is from the *OPTIONAL* book, Book of Exalted Deeds. As someone pointed out to me recently, there are a couple of things from that book that *aren't* broken. Vow of Poverty isn't one of them. Now, to be fair, it doesn't have to be broken. It's just that, for a few classes, it is. Any class that wasn't particularly gear-reliant before gets supercharged by that feat. Monks in particular get a lot out of it. Sorcerers can as well, and Druids get a hefty boost as well. The key is, if they had gear restrictions before then they aren't really giving up much of anything. On the broader scale, don't let players bring in things from books you aren't familiar with. Now, if you want to be a, ahem, Richard about it, know and enforce the limits on the Vow: You have to be Good with a capital G, and "of highest moral character", which many take as meaning Lawful with a capital L. Like a Paladin, a single Evil act pops the bubble and all those goodies go away. Permanently. If you want to be more up-front about it, just cast Dispel BS and tell him no. However you handle it, get comfortable with saying no until you're up to speed, and make it the default answer when someone wants to bring in stuff from a book you aren't using. At the same time, read whatever is available and get familiar with the other books. That way, when you have to say no to something, it will be an informed no. [/QUOTE]

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