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Message: <blockquote data-quote="timASW" data-source="post: 6117648" data-attributes="member: 6698787">Pathfinder made a huge change in the relative power levels in combat. I've found my groups casters who are all experienced players to be regularly outshined in combat by our fighter and barbarian. Which is just fine, thats how it should be. They can still be the dreaded batman wizard but since thats not really a problem I dont care. For a while back in 3X a had a caster try to steal the rogues schtick, then i made 5 or 6 locked doors in most closed areas and he decided he would rather let the rogue handle that then blow all his 2nd level spells on knock. The stealth thing was never an issue because invisibility and silence are both also 2nd level. If they got cast at all it was on the rogue to make sure he's uber sneaky for a vital bit of scouting or sneak attack. Casters still have fly and teleport which may or may not be a problem depending on your DM style. But I've never heard a player complain that the caster was going to teleport or fly them straight to the goal so this is also not a problem when it comes to campaign balance.</blockquote>