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<blockquote data-quote="James Gasik" data-source="post: 9437228" data-attributes="member: 6877472">Personally, I'm on the fence here.&nbsp; Removing the need for the target to understand you, while admittedly a PITA, is kind of nonsensical.&nbsp; I'd add that it weakens the point of learning different languages, but that ship has sailed into the sunset, lol.OTOH, I'm so tired of people coming up with ridiculous commands that are too OP, I have no idea how to interpret, or are just in poor taste.Like telling an armored character to strip or m*st*rb*t*, ffs.&nbsp; I've had nothing but problems with open-ended spells in the decades I've been gaming.&nbsp; Illusions, suggestion, wish- these are always moments where player expectations and DM expectations collide.The player is always trying to see what they can get away with, and the DM is constantly trying to make sure the game's balance doesn't implode- the end result is a lot of &quot;meh&quot;.&nbsp; Honestly I wish suggestion was simply removed from the game- the constant arguments about what is &quot;reasonable&quot; made it not worth casting (but somehow it always works out for the NPC's, lol).&nbsp; But removing that word from the spell has just made it worse, IMO.People on both sides of the DM screen will end up attempting to abuse it, and it's going to be fun for nobody.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="James Gasik, post: 9437228, member: 6877472"] Personally, I'm on the fence here. Removing the need for the target to understand you, while admittedly a PITA, is kind of nonsensical. I'd add that it weakens the point of learning different languages, but that ship has sailed into the sunset, lol. OTOH, I'm so tired of people coming up with ridiculous commands that are too OP, I have no idea how to interpret, or are just in poor taste. Like telling an armored character to strip or m*st*rb*t*, ffs. I've had nothing but problems with open-ended spells in the decades I've been gaming. Illusions, [I]suggestion[/I], [I]wish[/I]- these are always moments where player expectations and DM expectations collide. The player is always trying to see what they can get away with, and the DM is constantly trying to make sure the game's balance doesn't implode- the end result is a lot of "meh". Honestly I wish [I]suggestion[/I] was simply removed from the game- the constant arguments about what is "reasonable" made it not worth casting (but somehow it always works out for the NPC's, lol). But removing that word from the spell has just made it worse, IMO. People on both sides of the DM screen will end up attempting to abuse it, and it's going to be fun for nobody. [/QUOTE]

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