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<blockquote data-quote="Hussar" data-source="post: 9437659" data-attributes="member: 22779">See, but that's the problem.&nbsp; It's not the spells that are giving them the flexibility.&nbsp; It's playing silly buggers word games with whatever the Dm will let you get away with.&nbsp; Has nothing whatsoever to do with actual tactics which are all about influencing the game world directly.It's so funny that we have no problems with wizards smashing down the fourth wall in order to be &quot;sneaky&quot;, but even the merest whiff of allowing non-casters to do the same is a complete non-starter.&nbsp; <img class="smilie smilie--emoji" alt="🤷" src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f937.png" title="Person shrugging&nbsp; &nbsp; :person_shrugging:" data-shortname=":person_shrugging:" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" />Like I said, this has nothing to do with roleplay at all.&nbsp; It's all about rules lawyering and trying to &quot;win&quot; DnD by messing around with the rules instead of actively engaging the setting or the in game fiction.&nbsp; I'm just so over that sort of thing now.&nbsp; Play the character not the game.And as far as references to Deadpool go, [USER=4871]@TiQuinn[/USER], that's actually EXACTLY the problem.&nbsp; That's not role-playing when Deadpool constantly breaks the fourth wall.&nbsp; Using you godly powers, that thing that is most holy to you, to make someone poop their pants?&nbsp; Yeah, not really in character is it?</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Hussar, post: 9437659, member: 22779"] See, but that's the problem. It's not the spells that are giving them the flexibility. It's playing silly buggers word games with whatever the Dm will let you get away with. Has nothing whatsoever to do with actual tactics which are all about influencing the game world directly. It's so funny that we have no problems with wizards smashing down the fourth wall in order to be "sneaky", but even the merest whiff of allowing non-casters to do the same is a complete non-starter. 🤷 Like I said, this has nothing to do with roleplay at all. It's all about rules lawyering and trying to "win" DnD by messing around with the rules instead of actively engaging the setting or the in game fiction. I'm just so over that sort of thing now. Play the character not the game. And as far as references to Deadpool go, [USER=4871]@TiQuinn[/USER], that's actually EXACTLY the problem. That's not role-playing when Deadpool constantly breaks the fourth wall. Using you godly powers, that thing that is most holy to you, to make someone poop their pants? Yeah, not really in character is it? [/QUOTE]

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