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<blockquote data-quote="Hussar" data-source="post: 9444197" data-attributes="member: 22779"><p>But none of those examples require the DM to adjudicate anything. Fire spells set things on fire. That's right in the description of many of the fire spells. </p><p></p><p>Ice knife actually explodes, so, I'm not sure it would work, but, meh, that's not exactly breaking anything, so, fair enough. It's not trying to make the spell more powerful than it already is.</p><p></p><p>Note, since Catapult is in a direct line, it can't actually be used to yank (pull) anything, but, since the spell specifically describes what happens when a catupulted object strikes another object, how is this a creative use of the spell? It's doing exactly what's described by the spell.</p><p></p><p>And, again, your use of Goodberry is exactly as the spell is defined. How do you know that a Goodberry provides enough food for 24 hours? Because the spell description tells you so. </p><p></p><p>None of these examples are anything similar to rewording the definition of a spell to make it do something it normally couldn't do- like forcing a character to jump out a window of forcing a character to spend an action to change shape.</p><p></p><p>You keep conflating the issue here. Ruling how the mechanics interact with the in game fiction is fine. Fireball sets paper on fire. Ok. No one really argues with that. At least not seriously. Ruling that fireball would cause the building to explode because of the force of the fireball is a whole different thing though. Not that you suggested that, but, I've certainly seen that sort of thing suggested in the past - that a fireball cast into a smaller volume would cause the "container" (be it a building or whatever) to blow apart in a massive explosion.</p><p></p><p>That's the issue at hand. Taking the vague wording of the spell to change what the RAI of the spell in order to make it do things that it wasn't intended to do. It's gaming the system, not actually playing the game.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Hussar, post: 9444197, member: 22779"] But none of those examples require the DM to adjudicate anything. Fire spells set things on fire. That's right in the description of many of the fire spells. Ice knife actually explodes, so, I'm not sure it would work, but, meh, that's not exactly breaking anything, so, fair enough. It's not trying to make the spell more powerful than it already is. Note, since Catapult is in a direct line, it can't actually be used to yank (pull) anything, but, since the spell specifically describes what happens when a catupulted object strikes another object, how is this a creative use of the spell? It's doing exactly what's described by the spell. And, again, your use of Goodberry is exactly as the spell is defined. How do you know that a Goodberry provides enough food for 24 hours? Because the spell description tells you so. None of these examples are anything similar to rewording the definition of a spell to make it do something it normally couldn't do- like forcing a character to jump out a window of forcing a character to spend an action to change shape. You keep conflating the issue here. Ruling how the mechanics interact with the in game fiction is fine. Fireball sets paper on fire. Ok. No one really argues with that. At least not seriously. Ruling that fireball would cause the building to explode because of the force of the fireball is a whole different thing though. Not that you suggested that, but, I've certainly seen that sort of thing suggested in the past - that a fireball cast into a smaller volume would cause the "container" (be it a building or whatever) to blow apart in a massive explosion. That's the issue at hand. Taking the vague wording of the spell to change what the RAI of the spell in order to make it do things that it wasn't intended to do. It's gaming the system, not actually playing the game. [/QUOTE]
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