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<blockquote data-quote="Hussar" data-source="post: 9444349" data-attributes="member: 22779">Of course, I'm still rather baffled by why you'd use an explosive Ice Knife spell to chill water when Prestidigitation is right there and can do that.&nbsp; But, hey, whatever.But, again, we're looking at clear cut cases of the player trying to make the spell more powerful than it is most of the time with these &quot;creative&quot; uses of the spell.&nbsp; I don't believe that 5e uses the &quot;nauseated&quot; condition, but the 3e version stopped people from concentrating on spells, which is clearly not intended by the 5e version.So, basically, the only reason people want to keep these &quot;creative&quot; uses is to powergame.&nbsp; Over a thousand posts and still not a single example that isn't powergaming.&nbsp; At best the effects are equivalent to the existing examples.&nbsp; The majority of times, the player is pretty clearly trying to game the system to gain an advantage.Gee, I wonder why I approve of closing open ended loopholes?</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Hussar, post: 9444349, member: 22779"] Of course, I'm still rather baffled by why you'd use an explosive Ice Knife spell to chill water when Prestidigitation is right there and can do that. But, hey, whatever. But, again, we're looking at clear cut cases of the player trying to make the spell more powerful than it is most of the time with these "creative" uses of the spell. I don't believe that 5e uses the "nauseated" condition, but the 3e version stopped people from concentrating on spells, which is clearly not intended by the 5e version. So, basically, the only reason people want to keep these "creative" uses is to powergame. Over a thousand posts and still not a single example that isn't powergaming. At best the effects are equivalent to the existing examples. The majority of times, the player is pretty clearly trying to game the system to gain an advantage. Gee, I wonder why I approve of closing open ended loopholes? [/QUOTE]

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