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Message: <blockquote data-quote="UltimaGabe" data-source="post: 1368065" data-attributes="member: 16019">Ah, but then the problem arises. What, then, would happen in the same situation, except that the Undead was being commanded by a Cleric of at least twice the Undead's HD? When a Cleric commands undead, he specifically has mental control over them. What happens, then, if he tells his pet Shadow to kill the next Humanoid that walks up? Is that next Shadow automatically under his control? What if it exceeds his limit for HD? One could very feasibly say that the shadow isn't directly under his control (it's under the control of the Shadow that created it), and therefore doesn't count against his HD limit.And if you say that the Shadow isn't under his control, or the control of the Shadow that created it, what happens to it? Does it suddenly attack? If so, it would be deadly to try and Command a Shadow, considering that Strength damage is basically all they do, and killing any humanoid could end up causing you to face another opponent even more deadly than the one you were just fighting.So what happens? This has come up in a couple of our games before. A friend of mine used to walk around with a Bag of Holding with a couple dozen Shadows in it, and whenever things got really bad, he'd just let the Shadows out and have them kill whatever was bothering us. Luckily, he didn't abuse it too badly. But once I started playing a Cleric, we got attacked by a Shadow, and I Commanded it, but then I thought about it, and it just didn't seem balanced for someone to be walking around with a million HD worth of Undead, simply because he's not directly controlling them. The best solution I came up with was that Undead simply cannot create spawn while Controlled. They can still do whatever damage they want, and they can still kill anything they're commanded to, but humanoids simply aren't turned into more Shadows unless the Cleric specifically lets them, in which case he better be able to control the extra HD.</blockquote>

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