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Commander's Strike, is it an attack in itself?
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<blockquote data-quote="DracoSuave" data-source="post: 4934702" data-attributes="member: 71571"><p>Specific Beats General.</p><p></p><p>So, first off, Aegis of Shielding's damage reduction can only apply on an attack that hits.</p><p></p><p>Interpretation the First:</p><p></p><p>In general, when a power grants a basic attack to an ally, the granting power does not hit the target. However, Commander's Strike is not worded the same way- It has an attack line that gives a basic attack to an ally... and -more- importantly, it has a -hit- entry that tells you what to do.</p><p></p><p>That means that if you are resolving that line, you must have hit with Commander's Strike. And to have hit with Commander's Strike means you must have attacked with Commander's Strike.</p><p></p><p>So, while most powers that grant bonus attacks would not trigger Aegis of Shielding, Commander's Strike -does- trigger the damage reduction.</p><p></p><p>Interpretation the Second:</p><p></p><p>Commander's Strike does attack the target, after all, it has a line that says 'Attack:'. However, the penalty from the marked condition only penalizes your attack rolls. Commander's Strike never has you make an attack roll, therefore the -2 to attack never applies to the basic melee attack granted by the power (unless the ally is marked themselves)</p><p></p><p>----------------------</p><p></p><p>So:</p><p></p><p>Commander's Strike is an exception to the general rule on granted basic attacks because its wording contradicts the general rule. However, the marked condition does not affect the basic attack because you are never making an attack roll. It -does- however effect the damage because that is part of the Hit: line, and Aegis modifies damage from a hit, not damage rolls.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="DracoSuave, post: 4934702, member: 71571"] Specific Beats General. So, first off, Aegis of Shielding's damage reduction can only apply on an attack that hits. Interpretation the First: In general, when a power grants a basic attack to an ally, the granting power does not hit the target. However, Commander's Strike is not worded the same way- It has an attack line that gives a basic attack to an ally... and -more- importantly, it has a -hit- entry that tells you what to do. That means that if you are resolving that line, you must have hit with Commander's Strike. And to have hit with Commander's Strike means you must have attacked with Commander's Strike. So, while most powers that grant bonus attacks would not trigger Aegis of Shielding, Commander's Strike -does- trigger the damage reduction. Interpretation the Second: Commander's Strike does attack the target, after all, it has a line that says 'Attack:'. However, the penalty from the marked condition only penalizes your attack rolls. Commander's Strike never has you make an attack roll, therefore the -2 to attack never applies to the basic melee attack granted by the power (unless the ally is marked themselves) ---------------------- So: Commander's Strike is an exception to the general rule on granted basic attacks because its wording contradicts the general rule. However, the marked condition does not affect the basic attack because you are never making an attack roll. It -does- however effect the damage because that is part of the Hit: line, and Aegis modifies damage from a hit, not damage rolls. [/QUOTE]
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