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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Winterthorn" data-source="post: 3768371" data-attributes="member: 1702">I've worked in sales too, and what you said is QFT. All we have from WotC is blah, blah, blah with pretty pictures. Not so much as a wee morsel of flesh for us goblin-geeks to chew on.I'd rather go hungry, than be tortured by vaporous blog quotes. How about WotC staying quiet until they actually have some preliminary drafts to share? Why not release just the preliminary 4E rules for fighters and a race or two, at the Gencon announcement, as a sample for us all to toy with. Official 4E news should come with official sample rules we could play with - and otherwise they should stay silent until they have something to show for their efforts.In fact I have been hanging around the the Magic side of Wizard.com because of some new interest on my part, and I can tell right-off-the-bat that over there nothing is offered unless there is something of substance to show and share. The D&D side of WotC should follow the MTG side when it comes to marketing savvy!We need a smarter sales pitch for 4E - a sales pitch that includes working samples/something of substance!Btw: the bit about negative marketing - slagging the old known (3E) rather than selling the new unknown (4E) - I loathe that type of tactic by businesses. I'm not persuaded by it as a consumer - it's a major turn-off for me if ever there was one. What's next for us regarding 4E, bait and switch? (Yes, I'm grumpy.)And those quotes a number of posts up, from J. Wyatt and J. Tweet, bother me. Why were they even working on 3E if they didn't like it? How is it possible to do a good job on something that requires heartfelt inspiration and creativity while hating it? If flaws are discovered in hindsight then the hindsight itself should be admitted and not ignored with language suggesting they felt along that the game was garbage to them.Ugh! Everytime I come online regarding 4E I end up reading quotes and opinions that just drive me bananas!  <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f621.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":mad:" title="Mad    :mad:"  data-smilie="4"data-shortname=":mad:" />  **sigh**  <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f641.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":(" title="Frown    :("  data-smilie="3"data-shortname=":(" />Until I see real-ware, rather than vapor-ware, I'm not convinced of anything regarding 4E.</blockquote>

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