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<blockquote data-quote="kenobi65" data-source="post: 2771250" data-attributes="member: 1515">There's a chart, either in the Skills chapter of the PHB, or somewhere in the DMG, that shows &quot;how difficult is difficult.&quot;It essentially duplicates the chart you've proposed, but within the context of D&amp;D characters and specific skills (i.e., a high-level rogue being able to hear a mouse...)Edit: a truncated version of this list is in the SRD chapter on Skills:Very easy (0)&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Notice something large in plain sight (Spot)Easy (5)&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Climb a knotted rope (Climb)Average (10)&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Hear an approaching guard (Listen)Tough (15)&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Rig a wagon wheel to fall off (Disable Device)Challenging (20)&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Swim in stormy water (Swim)Formidable (25)&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Open an average lock (Open Lock)Heroic (30)&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Leap across a 30-foot chasm (Jump)Nearly impossible (40)&nbsp; &nbsp; Track a squad of orcs across hard ground after 24 hours of rainfall (Survival)And, what you'll see is that DCs are *not* as hard as you think they are.&nbsp; If you have a PC who's specifically focused on a particular skill (i.e., maximum ranks, good ability score, Skill Focus, other feats, equipment bonuses, synergy bonuses from other skills), it's really not very difficult to get a skill modifier of +20 or higher at the mid-levels (a 10th level PC or so).&nbsp; Diplomacy, in particular, is a skill that it's very easy to completely tweak out.&nbsp; Let's take a 10th level half-elf, with Diplomacy as a class skill.- 13 ranks- Assume an 18 Charisma, so +4 ability score bonus- +2 racial bonus- +2 bonus from 5 ranks in Bluff- +2 bonus from 5 ranks in Knowledge (nobility / royalty)- +2 bonus from 5 ranks in Sense Motive (these last 3 are unnamed bonuses, so they stack)- +3 bonus from Skill Focus (Diplomacy) feat- +2 bonus from Negotiator feat- +3 circumstance bonus from Circlet of PersuasionThere's a +33 bonus right there, and I didn't even try very hard. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big grin&nbsp; &nbsp; :D"&nbsp; data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" />&nbsp; At that point, DC34 is automatic, and DC40 can be made 70% of the time.Keep in mind that, even with 0 ranks and a +0 ability score modifier, you can make a DC10 skill check 55% of the time (and 100% of the time if you can Take 10).</blockquote>

[QUOTE="kenobi65, post: 2771250, member: 1515"] There's a chart, either in the Skills chapter of the PHB, or somewhere in the DMG, that shows "how difficult is difficult." It essentially duplicates the chart you've proposed, but within the context of D&D characters and specific skills (i.e., a high-level rogue being able to hear a mouse...) Edit: a truncated version of this list is in the SRD chapter on Skills: Very easy (0) Notice something large in plain sight (Spot) Easy (5) Climb a knotted rope (Climb) Average (10) Hear an approaching guard (Listen) Tough (15) Rig a wagon wheel to fall off (Disable Device) Challenging (20) Swim in stormy water (Swim) Formidable (25) Open an average lock (Open Lock) Heroic (30) Leap across a 30-foot chasm (Jump) Nearly impossible (40) Track a squad of orcs across hard ground after 24 hours of rainfall (Survival) And, what you'll see is that DCs are *not* as hard as you think they are. If you have a PC who's specifically focused on a particular skill (i.e., maximum ranks, good ability score, Skill Focus, other feats, equipment bonuses, synergy bonuses from other skills), it's really not very difficult to get a skill modifier of +20 or higher at the mid-levels (a 10th level PC or so). Diplomacy, in particular, is a skill that it's very easy to completely tweak out. Let's take a 10th level half-elf, with Diplomacy as a class skill. - 13 ranks - Assume an 18 Charisma, so +4 ability score bonus - +2 racial bonus - +2 bonus from 5 ranks in Bluff - +2 bonus from 5 ranks in Knowledge (nobility / royalty) - +2 bonus from 5 ranks in Sense Motive (these last 3 are unnamed bonuses, so they stack) - +3 bonus from Skill Focus (Diplomacy) feat - +2 bonus from Negotiator feat - +3 circumstance bonus from Circlet of Persuasion There's a +33 bonus right there, and I didn't even try very hard. :D At that point, DC34 is automatic, and DC40 can be made 70% of the time. Keep in mind that, even with 0 ranks and a +0 ability score modifier, you can make a DC10 skill check 55% of the time (and 100% of the time if you can Take 10). [/QUOTE]

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