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<blockquote data-quote="Edena_of_Neith" data-source="post: 2774205" data-attributes="member: 2020">(With what crude knowledge of 3.5 Yours Truly has, he goes where No Gamer Was Meant to Go Before.)&nbsp; <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile&nbsp; &nbsp; :)"&nbsp; data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />&nbsp; 1 DM, 6 players, all newbies to 3.5.&nbsp; No miniatures or grid maps (or maps of any kind) being used.&nbsp; &nbsp; Standard dice, character sheets, pepsi, books on table.&nbsp; Players argumentative, players only half understand rules, DM only half understands rules.&nbsp; In Game Combat:&nbsp; 20 orcs break down door and charge party.&nbsp; Player 1 (P1)&nbsp; I fire my bow.&nbsp; P2:&nbsp; I charge.&nbsp; P3:&nbsp; I stand and fight.&nbsp; P4:&nbsp; (looks up from petting the cat)&nbsp; I ... uh ... hmmm ... fire an arrow at the closest orc.&nbsp; P5:&nbsp; Pardons, but I have to go to the bathroom.&nbsp; Be back in time to do something.&nbsp; P6:&nbsp; I ... hmmm ... can I wait and declare my action later?&nbsp; DM to P6:&nbsp; Yes.&nbsp; DM:&nbsp; Party wins initiative!&nbsp; P1:&nbsp; (rolls 15)&nbsp; It's a hit!&nbsp; DM:&nbsp; Let me see.&nbsp; According to this, your bow has an enhancement bonus of + 3, it is a strength bow + 2, and you had a BAB of + 4, but ...&nbsp; P2: (interrupting)&nbsp;&nbsp; I chop my orc!&nbsp; (rolls 16)&nbsp; I hit!&nbsp; (rolls 12)&nbsp; I hit again.&nbsp; P3:&nbsp; (also interrupting)&nbsp; Have they reached me yet?&nbsp; DM:&nbsp; Uh ... ok, you hit the orc for ...&nbsp; roll damage, please for your bow.&nbsp; P2:&nbsp; (misunderstanding)&nbsp; 12 points.&nbsp; And 15 points.&nbsp; Plus my enhancement bonus, which is 17 points.&nbsp; That's 44 points.&nbsp; P1:&nbsp; Don't I get an AOO?&nbsp; DM:&nbsp; Uh ...&nbsp; P3:&nbsp; I'm tired of waiting.&nbsp; I charge.&nbsp; P6:&nbsp; I fire my bow.&nbsp; DM to P1:&nbsp; 2 orcs charge up to you to attack.&nbsp; P1:&nbsp; I get my AOO on them!&nbsp; (rolls)&nbsp; DM:&nbsp; No, that's only when ...&nbsp; P1:&nbsp; 12 and 17 points of damage.&nbsp; P2:&nbsp; I get AOO on those 2 also.&nbsp; They were within 10 feet of me!&nbsp; (rolls)&nbsp; 18 and 13 damage!&nbsp; P3:&nbsp; I get AOO too.&nbsp; How many orcs are now attacking me?&nbsp; P6:&nbsp; I rolled a 5.&nbsp; Does that hit?&nbsp; P1:&nbsp; I should get AOO on every orc that charges P3, since they go right by me.&nbsp; P2:&nbsp; And I should also.&nbsp; DM:&nbsp; But you're carrying a bow ...&nbsp; P3:&nbsp; A bow allows AOO.&nbsp; DM:&nbsp; No it doesn't.&nbsp; P3:&nbsp; Yes it does (grabs PHB.)&nbsp; I'll prove it.&nbsp; P1:&nbsp; How many AOO do I get?&nbsp; Where are all these orcs?&nbsp; DM:&nbsp; 5 raced by, 2 are on you ... uh ... 3 are on P1.&nbsp; P1:&nbsp; I chop all 5 (starts rolling)&nbsp; DM:&nbsp; They are out of range.&nbsp; P1:&nbsp; Whadda mean, they are out of range?!&nbsp; They're running right by me!&nbsp; P2:&nbsp; I still think I get AOO.&nbsp; Can I whack them with the bow?&nbsp; Better yet, I'll try Trip.&nbsp; P3:&nbsp; I make my AOO on all 5 charging me.&nbsp; DM:&nbsp; I didn't say they were charging you.&nbsp; P3:&nbsp; Then I whack as many as I can.&nbsp; P5:&nbsp; (returns from the bathroom)&nbsp; I throw a Fireball.&nbsp; I throw it 50 feet up.&nbsp; That should kill those orcs.&nbsp; DM:&nbsp; That gives them AOOs on you.&nbsp; P5:&nbsp; But weren't all my friends standing in front of me?&nbsp; Where are you guys standing?&nbsp; P2:&nbsp; I know, I'll jab them with the arrows.&nbsp; P1:&nbsp; I whack every orc that rushes by.&nbsp; P3:&nbsp; I bull rush my orc, then trip the second one, then leap on the third.&nbsp; DM:&nbsp; Uh ...&nbsp; P4:&nbsp; (continues scratching the housecat, not paying attention)&nbsp; Can I make a sneak attack?&nbsp; <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile&nbsp; &nbsp; :)"&nbsp; data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />&nbsp; Edena_of_Neith&nbsp; (Actually, I'm sure it would be far, far, far worse than what I just wrote ...)</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Edena_of_Neith, post: 2774205, member: 2020"] (With what crude knowledge of 3.5 Yours Truly has, he goes where No Gamer Was Meant to Go Before.) :) 1 DM, 6 players, all newbies to 3.5. No miniatures or grid maps (or maps of any kind) being used. Standard dice, character sheets, pepsi, books on table. Players argumentative, players only half understand rules, DM only half understands rules. In Game Combat: 20 orcs break down door and charge party. Player 1 (P1) I fire my bow. P2: I charge. P3: I stand and fight. P4: (looks up from petting the cat) I ... uh ... hmmm ... fire an arrow at the closest orc. P5: Pardons, but I have to go to the bathroom. Be back in time to do something. P6: I ... hmmm ... can I wait and declare my action later? DM to P6: Yes. DM: Party wins initiative! P1: (rolls 15) It's a hit! DM: Let me see. According to this, your bow has an enhancement bonus of + 3, it is a strength bow + 2, and you had a BAB of + 4, but ... P2: (interrupting) I chop my orc! (rolls 16) I hit! (rolls 12) I hit again. P3: (also interrupting) Have they reached me yet? DM: Uh ... ok, you hit the orc for ... roll damage, please for your bow. P2: (misunderstanding) 12 points. And 15 points. Plus my enhancement bonus, which is 17 points. That's 44 points. P1: Don't I get an AOO? DM: Uh ... P3: I'm tired of waiting. I charge. P6: I fire my bow. DM to P1: 2 orcs charge up to you to attack. P1: I get my AOO on them! (rolls) DM: No, that's only when ... P1: 12 and 17 points of damage. P2: I get AOO on those 2 also. They were within 10 feet of me! (rolls) 18 and 13 damage! P3: I get AOO too. How many orcs are now attacking me? P6: I rolled a 5. Does that hit? P1: I should get AOO on every orc that charges P3, since they go right by me. P2: And I should also. DM: But you're carrying a bow ... P3: A bow allows AOO. DM: No it doesn't. P3: Yes it does (grabs PHB.) I'll prove it. P1: How many AOO do I get? Where are all these orcs? DM: 5 raced by, 2 are on you ... uh ... 3 are on P1. P1: I chop all 5 (starts rolling) DM: They are out of range. P1: Whadda mean, they are out of range?! They're running right by me! P2: I still think I get AOO. Can I whack them with the bow? Better yet, I'll try Trip. P3: I make my AOO on all 5 charging me. DM: I didn't say they were charging you. P3: Then I whack as many as I can. P5: (returns from the bathroom) I throw a Fireball. I throw it 50 feet up. That should kill those orcs. DM: That gives them AOOs on you. P5: But weren't all my friends standing in front of me? Where are you guys standing? P2: I know, I'll jab them with the arrows. P1: I whack every orc that rushes by. P3: I bull rush my orc, then trip the second one, then leap on the third. DM: Uh ... P4: (continues scratching the housecat, not paying attention) Can I make a sneak attack? :) Edena_of_Neith (Actually, I'm sure it would be far, far, far worse than what I just wrote ...) [/QUOTE]

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