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<blockquote data-quote="kenobi65" data-source="post: 2780690" data-attributes="member: 1515">As others have pointed out, your list has a lot of really niche-y choices in it.&nbsp; Yeah, it makes your character better at each of those odd combat maneuvers...but a lot of them just aren't going to come up that often.&nbsp; (And, to qualify for quite a few of them, you need an Int of 13+...which means, if you're using a point-buy, you're shortchanging another ability score that the fighter could use.)When I was converting Olivia (my fighter that we talked about earlier) to 3E, I gave her a feat build that led to Whirlwind Attack...because I'd read several blurbs in the PR on 3E that this was one kick-butt feat.&nbsp; You know what?&nbsp; I've only ever used it once.&nbsp; It's just very rare that I find myself completely surrounded by bad guys (and, even then, at the high level she's at, it'd take more than one blow to kill them).&nbsp; I view a lot of the &quot;special combat maneuvers&quot; feats the same way -- they can be good in certain circumstances, but they probably aren't going to be your PC's bread-and-butter.&nbsp; With feat slots being fairly precious (even for fighters), I just don't see them being generally worth it.And, as others have already said, rather than trying to be good at all of those oddball maneuvers, it might make more sense to take one or two (esp. since many of them simply make you better at a maneuver you can use without the feat), and focus your other feats on your primary weapons.Not as far as I'm aware.&nbsp; As it is, fighters get a metric buttload of feats, far more than any other class.&nbsp; The pace at which one receives feats (or other class abilities) is a balancing factor.Here's another 1E / 2E mindset you may need to learn how to set aside.&nbsp; Part of the reason that 1E / 2E were more fun below 10th level was that the game mechanics really broke down at about that point, and had a hard time handling high-level characters.&nbsp; In theory, 3E / 3.5 is able to handle higher-level PCs (the designers will say it should be just fine all the way to 20th level, though others might debate that point).I certainly feel that the sweet spot is still in the 5th - 12th level range...but you need to realize that &quot;iconic&quot; NPCs (from novels, etc.) may, under 3E, be higher level than they were in earlier editions.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="kenobi65, post: 2780690, member: 1515"] As others have pointed out, your list has a lot of really niche-y choices in it. Yeah, it makes your character better at each of those odd combat maneuvers...but a lot of them just aren't going to come up that often. (And, to qualify for quite a few of them, you need an Int of 13+...which means, if you're using a point-buy, you're shortchanging another ability score that the fighter could use.) When I was converting Olivia (my fighter that we talked about earlier) to 3E, I gave her a feat build that led to Whirlwind Attack...because I'd read several blurbs in the PR on 3E that this was one kick-butt feat. You know what? I've only ever used it once. It's just very rare that I find myself completely surrounded by bad guys (and, even then, at the high level she's at, it'd take more than one blow to kill them). I view a lot of the "special combat maneuvers" feats the same way -- they can be good in certain circumstances, but they probably aren't going to be your PC's bread-and-butter. With feat slots being fairly precious (even for fighters), I just don't see them being generally worth it. And, as others have already said, rather than trying to be good at [b]all[/b] of those oddball maneuvers, it might make more sense to take one or two (esp. since many of them simply make you better at a maneuver you can use without the feat), and focus your other feats on your primary weapons. Not as far as I'm aware. As it is, fighters get a metric buttload of feats, far more than any other class. The pace at which one receives feats (or other class abilities) is a balancing factor. Here's another 1E / 2E mindset you may need to learn how to set aside. Part of the reason that 1E / 2E were more fun below 10th level was that the game mechanics really broke down at about that point, and had a hard time handling high-level characters. In theory, 3E / 3.5 is able to handle higher-level PCs (the designers will say it should be just fine all the way to 20th level, though others might debate that point). I certainly feel that the sweet spot is still in the 5th - 12th level range...but you need to realize that "iconic" NPCs (from novels, etc.) may, under 3E, be higher level than they were in earlier editions. [/QUOTE]

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