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<blockquote data-quote="Edena_of_Neith" data-source="post: 2787280" data-attributes="member: 2020"><p>Even with the revised characters, Narrin barely beat Claire. Claire could have delivered a coup de grace instead of running, too.</p><p> If the reality here is that a beligerent and overly brave mage can actually threaten a fully armed and armored fighter in toe to toe combat (and the above proves she can) then Narrin is going to know this, and take appropriate countermeasures.</p><p></p><p> So imagine this:</p><p></p><p> The modified Claire and familiar, the modified Narrin.</p><p> Claire rests in the clearing, Narrin spots her.</p><p></p><p> Narrin realizes that anyone out here alone in the perilous Damaran wilderness is either very powerful, or very foolish.</p><p> Looking further, he sees this person is an unarmored girl. It is easy enough to guess she is a wizard or sorceress. She must be a powerful wizard indeed, if she dares to travel the Damaran wastes alone.</p><p></p><p> Narrin does not put on his heavy +1 Breastplate.</p><p> Narrin puts on the Celestial Armor +3 he looted off of a high level adventurer he defeated (and killed) under his dull clothing.</p><p> Narrin has modified his clothing so that it blends in with his surroundings. He dons them, then takes up his weapons.</p><p> </p><p> Narrin decides this girl is too dangerous to attempt a parley with. He will subdue her if possible, kill her if he must, take her items, then return to his (magically concealed) lair.</p><p></p><p> Narrin sneaks (moves silently) through the woods towards Claire.</p><p> Claire, being very tired, looked around carefully one time then turned to her rations and water. Thus, she isn't actively trying to Spot or Listen (except casually to the birdsong.)</p><p></p><p> When Narrin gets very close, they must make opposed checks: his move silently versus her listen.</p><p> He rolls an 18. She rolls an 8. Although Narrin has a skill check penalty from his Celestial Armor (it is a small one) and a - 5 penalty for deep undergrowth, he wins the roll. He is not heard. He advances right to the edge of the glade, and Claire is not aware of him.</p><p> Claire does not look around for foes, and thus does not gain a Spot check to see Narrin. She is busy with her meal.</p><p></p><p> Now Narrin can choose to charge and grapple, or:</p><p> Narrin can choose to fire his bow, which is nocked and ready, or:</p><p> Narrin can change his mind and attempt to parley, or:</p><p> Narrin can do something else.</p><p></p><p> Anyway you cut it, Narrin has the advantage. He has Surprise (I am guessing) and will make an attack during the Surprise Round before initiative is rolled.</p><p></p><p> -</p><p></p><p> Once more, Narrin decides to parley. She is such a beautiful girl, a young girl, and obviously inexperienced. What she is doing out here, in the middle of the dreadfully dangerous Damaran wilderness, Narrin does not know. But she is being foolhardy: perhaps she is just young and naive about the dangers here?</p><p> She didn't do anything to protect herself. She took no cover, no concealment, left tracks (a Search check easily shows them), and is sitting there in plain sight in the middle of the day. Could she be that inexperienced? Or is this a trap?</p><p> But a Spot check and Listen check by Narrin reveal nothing, and Spot and Listen checks on the way down here revealed nothing. Apparently, this girl is just what she seems to be.</p><p></p><p> Narrin steps out of his cover, no weapons in hand.</p><p></p><p> A conversation similar to the one posted earlier occurs. Narrin decides to take this arrogant, naive young lady alive (for her own good, if nothing else; without his help, she won't live through the night out in this wilderness, much less live long enough to find the healer in his secret retreat.)</p><p></p><p> But Narrin did something else, too. He declared a Ready Action. If she starts casting a spell, he open fires with his bow. That means he goes first, if she attempts a Hold Person. And he is hoping a hard hit from his enormous bow will deter any spell foolery.</p><p></p><p> Claire does begin her Hold Person.</p><p> Narrin does fire, and he fires first ...</p><p> They are 40 feet apart at this point.</p><p></p><p> What happens?</p><p></p><p> (And yes, I will find a gaming group.)</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Edena_of_Neith, post: 2787280, member: 2020"] Even with the revised characters, Narrin barely beat Claire. Claire could have delivered a coup de grace instead of running, too. If the reality here is that a beligerent and overly brave mage can actually threaten a fully armed and armored fighter in toe to toe combat (and the above proves she can) then Narrin is going to know this, and take appropriate countermeasures. So imagine this: The modified Claire and familiar, the modified Narrin. Claire rests in the clearing, Narrin spots her. Narrin realizes that anyone out here alone in the perilous Damaran wilderness is either very powerful, or very foolish. Looking further, he sees this person is an unarmored girl. It is easy enough to guess she is a wizard or sorceress. She must be a powerful wizard indeed, if she dares to travel the Damaran wastes alone. Narrin does not put on his heavy +1 Breastplate. Narrin puts on the Celestial Armor +3 he looted off of a high level adventurer he defeated (and killed) under his dull clothing. Narrin has modified his clothing so that it blends in with his surroundings. He dons them, then takes up his weapons. Narrin decides this girl is too dangerous to attempt a parley with. He will subdue her if possible, kill her if he must, take her items, then return to his (magically concealed) lair. Narrin sneaks (moves silently) through the woods towards Claire. Claire, being very tired, looked around carefully one time then turned to her rations and water. Thus, she isn't actively trying to Spot or Listen (except casually to the birdsong.) When Narrin gets very close, they must make opposed checks: his move silently versus her listen. He rolls an 18. She rolls an 8. Although Narrin has a skill check penalty from his Celestial Armor (it is a small one) and a - 5 penalty for deep undergrowth, he wins the roll. He is not heard. He advances right to the edge of the glade, and Claire is not aware of him. Claire does not look around for foes, and thus does not gain a Spot check to see Narrin. She is busy with her meal. Now Narrin can choose to charge and grapple, or: Narrin can choose to fire his bow, which is nocked and ready, or: Narrin can change his mind and attempt to parley, or: Narrin can do something else. Anyway you cut it, Narrin has the advantage. He has Surprise (I am guessing) and will make an attack during the Surprise Round before initiative is rolled. - Once more, Narrin decides to parley. She is such a beautiful girl, a young girl, and obviously inexperienced. What she is doing out here, in the middle of the dreadfully dangerous Damaran wilderness, Narrin does not know. But she is being foolhardy: perhaps she is just young and naive about the dangers here? She didn't do anything to protect herself. She took no cover, no concealment, left tracks (a Search check easily shows them), and is sitting there in plain sight in the middle of the day. Could she be that inexperienced? Or is this a trap? But a Spot check and Listen check by Narrin reveal nothing, and Spot and Listen checks on the way down here revealed nothing. Apparently, this girl is just what she seems to be. Narrin steps out of his cover, no weapons in hand. A conversation similar to the one posted earlier occurs. Narrin decides to take this arrogant, naive young lady alive (for her own good, if nothing else; without his help, she won't live through the night out in this wilderness, much less live long enough to find the healer in his secret retreat.) But Narrin did something else, too. He declared a Ready Action. If she starts casting a spell, he open fires with his bow. That means he goes first, if she attempts a Hold Person. And he is hoping a hard hit from his enormous bow will deter any spell foolery. Claire does begin her Hold Person. Narrin does fire, and he fires first ... They are 40 feet apart at this point. What happens? (And yes, I will find a gaming group.) [/QUOTE]
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