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<blockquote data-quote="Thia Halmades" data-source="post: 2679730" data-attributes="member: 35863">OH, pff.&nbsp; Dreamwalking.&nbsp; There are all sorts of ways to do that (illusions, mass charms, etc.) that aren't nearly as elaborate. ;-)&nbsp; That wouldn't be a major concern for me in the slightest.&nbsp; Granted, yes, that combo exists, but clever players have a powerful habit of doing all sorts of things we've never considered.In re: time &amp; type of bond.&nbsp; A Paladin who's been with the same mount for 10 years shouldn't have that relationship threatened by a simple die test; that's an extreme case, granted, but a great deal of what I'm getting at with my core point.&nbsp; I mean it just shouldn't happen, and were I the one RPing the Paladin I'd probably pop.In re: losing familiars, I recognized the mechanic straight out from the PHB, and I also recognized that it was a 'less' damaging than slaying the familiar outright, but the end result is the same (unless, point yielded apriori, they've done crazy extra boosts to their familiar).&nbsp; I suppose I come from an Order of The Stick attitude on it: &quot;Oh, right.&nbsp; Yeah, I have a familiar!&quot;On the 6/12/18/24, that was &quot;times per day by level,&quot; which I didn't clarify.&nbsp; Moo, moo moo.&nbsp; So, at 6th, once per day, then 2x at 12, 3x at 18, 4x at 24.&nbsp; Sorry 'bout that.And dag, look at the time.&nbsp; Gotta bounce.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Thia Halmades, post: 2679730, member: 35863"] OH, pff. Dreamwalking. There are all sorts of ways to do that (illusions, mass charms, etc.) that aren't nearly as elaborate. ;-) That wouldn't be a major concern for me in the slightest. Granted, yes, that combo exists, but clever players have a powerful habit of doing all sorts of things we've never considered. In re: time & type of bond. A Paladin who's been with the same mount for 10 years shouldn't have that relationship threatened by a simple die test; that's an extreme case, granted, but a great deal of what I'm getting at with my core point. I mean it just shouldn't happen, and were I the one RPing the Paladin I'd probably pop. In re: losing familiars, I recognized the mechanic straight out from the PHB, and I also recognized that it was a 'less' damaging than slaying the familiar outright, but the end result is the same (unless, point yielded apriori, they've done crazy extra boosts to their familiar). I suppose I come from an Order of The Stick attitude on it: "Oh, right. Yeah, I have a familiar!" On the 6/12/18/24, that was "times per day by level," which I didn't clarify. Moo, moo moo. So, at 6th, once per day, then 2x at 12, 3x at 18, 4x at 24. Sorry 'bout that. And dag, look at the time. Gotta bounce. [/QUOTE]

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