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<blockquote data-quote="steeldragons" data-source="post: 5872681" data-attributes="member: 92511">You know everyone, it seems, nowadays wants to say &quot;wah wah&quot; bearded underground smith dwarves are sooooo lame. Fair, magical, wood dwelling elves are soooooo lame...soooo yesterday....sooooo overdone for the genre.Where did they come from? D&amp;D which came from Tolkien...Noooo. NOT Tolkien. Tolkien took them from...what they ARE! Mythological creatures from germanic/norse mythology, in the case of dwarves. Bretonic and Celtic mythologies in the case of Elves. The Sidhe. The fair folk. The people from under the hill.Tolkien made them his own cultures in his own world.D&amp;D used that and borrowed from it. It does not make &quot;magical elf creatures&quot; and/or &quot;smithy dwarf guys n' gals..WITH beards&quot; unique or original nor lame or over-used. These are the mythologies off OUR REAL LIFE/WORLD cultures.Could we please, understand the &quot;fantasy genre&quot; for what it is and stop assigning blame for &quot;tired&quot; or &quot;old&quot; concepts that have existed since before 1,000 BCA.Putting a dwarf on a ship and giving him a pirate hat does not make this &quot;original&quot;. Giving elves shotguns on cattle ranches in the American &quot;New West&quot; does not make them &quot;original.&quot;They are mythological creatures of the collective unconscious. They will always be. Stop fighting it. Stop trying to be &quot;new and different&quot;...revel in the creativity and the origins of what they are.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="steeldragons, post: 5872681, member: 92511"] You know everyone, it seems, nowadays wants to say "wah wah" bearded underground smith dwarves are sooooo lame. Fair, magical, wood dwelling elves are soooooo lame...soooo yesterday....sooooo overdone for the genre. Where did they come from? D&D which came from Tolkien... Noooo. NOT Tolkien. Tolkien took them from...what they ARE! Mythological creatures from germanic/norse mythology, in the case of dwarves. Bretonic and Celtic mythologies in the case of Elves. The Sidhe. The fair folk. The people from under the hill. Tolkien made them his own cultures in his own world. D&D used that and borrowed from it. It does not make "magical elf creatures" and/or "smithy dwarf guys n' gals..WITH beards" unique or original nor lame or over-used. These are the mythologies off OUR REAL LIFE/WORLD cultures. Could we please, understand the "fantasy genre" for what it is and stop assigning blame for "tired" or "old" concepts that have existed since before 1,000 BCA. Putting a dwarf on a ship and giving him a pirate hat does not make this "original". Giving elves shotguns on cattle ranches in the American "New West" does not make them "original." They are mythological creatures of the collective unconscious. They will always be. Stop fighting it. Stop trying to be "new and different"...revel in the creativity and the origins of what they are. [/QUOTE]

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