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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Rob Kuntz" data-source="post: 8320445" data-attributes="member: 7015759">You said your say. No one should bleed, no one should suffer, and until we can get past this us and them attitude we will remain unprogressed humans, sides drawn, fingers pointing, teeth gnashing.  The worst elements from both of these sides will prevail as has always been the case in human history.  I do not hear in these threads the calls for the ruination of Gays; but I have heard for the call for the ruination of Ernie Gygax.  For those who ask not to be judged the judgments flow quickly from. The words of Gandalf in response to Frodo wishing Bilbo had killed Gollum come to mind.  I have no answer to the vitriol and fear emanating from both sides, but I know that the final ending is not wrapped in destruction, so it must be the opposite.I appreciate your input, Umbrian.  But you are missing the spirit of my point which was to the point and not an interpretable aside.  It was related ("mob") to calls for Ernie's disfranchisement. I do not agree with either side in the matter of retribution, stereotyping and hate, That is not what I seek as an advocate of freedom of choice.  I seek progress, and that will be through, somewhat, reconcilliation, not destruction. Those who refuse reconcilliation should be shunned and ostracized IMO.  Who draws the line of when where and under what circumstances one crosses the Rubicon and becomes unsalvageable? Each person must walk in their own shadow and bear the responsibility of their actions.  Everyone. Ernie is a good person worth salvaging on this point.  Why?  It's not because I agree or am complicit or am hand-waving his comments, quite the contrary.  I know him, he is better than this.  I will find out and get to the bottom of his current abberrant behaviour today in a phone call.  I am very concerned for him and the damage he is causing to others.  If he is unsalvageable I will find out.  I have certain demands I am placing, all rather normal and reasonable considering the situation.  So rather than talk I'd rather solve, so rather than destroy I'd like to change and mediate.  This is not an either/or or us and them issue when you speak of one or many lives, no matter the situations regarding them.</blockquote>

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