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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Grendel_Khan" data-source="post: 8320475" data-attributes="member: 7028554">As the last four years or so have reinforced, when people reveal themselves as defensive, reactionary, retrograde dum-dums, I'm not sure it makes sense to ascribe four-dimensional chess tactics to their ineffective floundering.I'm guessing you aren't as chronically (or disastrously) online as some of us, but just want to point out that this is the ultimate distillation of the both-sides mentality that progressives (like me) have identified as the most immediate threat to real progress in the fight for equality. It muddies the discussion by presenting the entire thing as a big hopeless mud fight, while reasonable people simply shut up and quietly love and accept things. Meanwhile, in reality, out in the messy world you're decrying, rights continue to be denied or trampled, bad actors actually don't get cancelled in the way you're imagining (they get GoFundMes, sponsorships, and hits on Fox News), and resistance to progress gets an unwitting ally in people who simply want everyone to somehow, magically work together. When you not only use "both sides" language, but then articulate the both-sides position, all you're doing is telling people to stop fighting for their rights, which inherently means nothing will change, and existing abuses will continue.I think your intentions are truly good. But this smacks of being poorly informed. The fights are real, and the people pushing for change are at real risk, and whether you think it's all unsavory is frankly irrelevant.</blockquote>

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