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<blockquote data-quote="Levistus's_Leviathan" data-source="post: 8320948" data-attributes="member: 7023887"><p>I'm not gonna take your word for it, if you'll forgive me.</p><p></p><p>This is basically the "I have a black friend" defense. Having an LGBTQ+ friend does <strong>not </strong>make you not-homophobic/transphobic, just as having a black friend doesn't make you <strong>not </strong>be a white supremacist, or how having an autistic friend/relative doesn't automatically make you <strong>not</strong> be ableist.</p><p></p><p>Ernie has said transphobic things. Him having LGBTQ+ friends does not negate that. Don't try to say that it does, because that's advocating for an actually evil thing (being transphobic/saying transphobic things).</p><p></p><p>Yes, the Pride movement is threatened/hurt by what Ernie has said. This is like saying "publicly supporting the Fourteen Words doesn't hurt the Civil Rights movement", and similar examples.</p><p>No one is hunting him. They're trying to hold him accountable for the hateful language that he and his partners have been saying. Saying that you're not going to buy products from a transphobe isn't "hunting" anyone. That's boycotting a bigot.</p><p></p><p>Ah, the <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance" target="_blank">Paradox of Tolerance</a>! You're basically saying "by excluding Ernie Gygax (a person that verbally excludes trans people), you're being hypocritical". Actually, no. <a href="https://www.bing.com/images/search?view=detailV2&ccid=6S0BICMC&id=3AECE06F111CA594F4A778DF46398388CD522EAD&thid=OIP.6S0BICMC0F9wfOdv09QccQHaJQ&mediaurl=https%3a%2f%2fi.redd.it%2fi69jnt27a8gz.png&cdnurl=https%3a%2f%2fth.bing.com%2fth%2fid%2fRe92d01202302d05f707ce76fd3d41c71%3frik%3drS5SzYiDOUbfeA%26pid%3dImgRaw&exph=1000&expw=800&q=paradox+of+tolerance&simid=608018613037375890&ck=59DBD5E28A4140891138851EC941BC6B&selectedIndex=0&FORM=IRPRST&ajaxhist=0&ajaxserp=0" target="_blank">By the nature of inclusion, you have to exclude exclusive people and ideals, or the exclusive people overpower the inclusive people and spread hate and harm</a>.</p><p></p><p>Revenge would be going after someone after they've apologized for their words and actions (or at the absolute least, after they have stopped harming someone). Self-Defense is going after someone while they're still attacking someone. Ernie Gygax is still continuing to spout his hateful language and support those that are doing the same. To call him out and say that we're not going to buy his product is self-defense, not a "mantra of revenge".</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Levistus's_Leviathan, post: 8320948, member: 7023887"] I'm not gonna take your word for it, if you'll forgive me. This is basically the "I have a black friend" defense. Having an LGBTQ+ friend does [B]not [/B]make you not-homophobic/transphobic, just as having a black friend doesn't make you [B]not [/B]be a white supremacist, or how having an autistic friend/relative doesn't automatically make you [B]not[/B] be ableist. Ernie has said transphobic things. Him having LGBTQ+ friends does not negate that. Don't try to say that it does, because that's advocating for an actually evil thing (being transphobic/saying transphobic things). Yes, the Pride movement is threatened/hurt by what Ernie has said. This is like saying "publicly supporting the Fourteen Words doesn't hurt the Civil Rights movement", and similar examples. No one is hunting him. They're trying to hold him accountable for the hateful language that he and his partners have been saying. Saying that you're not going to buy products from a transphobe isn't "hunting" anyone. That's boycotting a bigot. Ah, the [URL='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance']Paradox of Tolerance[/URL]! You're basically saying "by excluding Ernie Gygax (a person that verbally excludes trans people), you're being hypocritical". Actually, no. [URL='https://www.bing.com/images/search?view=detailV2&ccid=6S0BICMC&id=3AECE06F111CA594F4A778DF46398388CD522EAD&thid=OIP.6S0BICMC0F9wfOdv09QccQHaJQ&mediaurl=https%3a%2f%2fi.redd.it%2fi69jnt27a8gz.png&cdnurl=https%3a%2f%2fth.bing.com%2fth%2fid%2fRe92d01202302d05f707ce76fd3d41c71%3frik%3drS5SzYiDOUbfeA%26pid%3dImgRaw&exph=1000&expw=800&q=paradox+of+tolerance&simid=608018613037375890&ck=59DBD5E28A4140891138851EC941BC6B&selectedIndex=0&FORM=IRPRST&ajaxhist=0&ajaxserp=0']By the nature of inclusion, you have to exclude exclusive people and ideals, or the exclusive people overpower the inclusive people and spread hate and harm[/URL]. Revenge would be going after someone after they've apologized for their words and actions (or at the absolute least, after they have stopped harming someone). Self-Defense is going after someone while they're still attacking someone. Ernie Gygax is still continuing to spout his hateful language and support those that are doing the same. To call him out and say that we're not going to buy his product is self-defense, not a "mantra of revenge". [/QUOTE]
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