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<blockquote data-quote="RealAlHazred" data-source="post: 9188403" data-attributes="member: 25818"><p>A note on nomenclature: eventually, these were officially called "Lung" dragons after the Wade-Giles transliteration of the Chinese 龙 (simplified) or 龍 (imperial), as "<em>lung</em>". Nowadays, this is usually transliterated into English as "<em>lóng</em>". So, yes, the official D&D name for them as "dragon dragons." In the original <em><strong>The Strategic Review</strong></em> article, they were called "Chinese dragons," but the mythology of them spread beyond the mainland to other parts of Asia before the modern era. The <strong><em>Fiend Folio</em></strong> incarnation calls them "Oriental Dragons," so, sort of like Oriental Rugs, a stylistic element from the Exotic Far East.</p><p></p><p>There is an extensive conversion of the Chinese dragons to 5th edition on <a href="https://www.electric-rain.net/tag/lung-dragon/" target="_blank">this guy's blog</a>.</p><p></p><p>Wikipedia lists them as:</p><ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"><strong>Chilong </strong>(螭龍 or 魑龍; chīlóng; ch'ih-lung; ci1 lung4; chī lùhng; 'demon dragon'), a hornless dragon or mountain demon; I think these are probably the inspiration for the Li Lung of AD&D</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"><strong>Dilong </strong>(地龍; dìlóng; ti-lung; dei6 lung4; deih lùhng; 'earth dragon'), controller of rivers and seas; effectively the Chiang Lung of AD&D</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"><strong>Feilong </strong>(飛龍; fēilóng; fei-lung; fei1 lung4; fēi lùhng; 'flying dragon'), winged dragon that rides on clouds and mist</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"><strong>Fuzanglong </strong>(伏藏龍; fúcánglóng; fu-ts'ang-lung; fuk6 zong6 lung4; fuhk johng lùhng; 'hidden treasure dragon'), underworld guardian of precious metals and jewels, associated with volcanoes</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"><strong>Huanglong </strong>(黃龍; huánglóng; huang-lung; wong4 lung4; wòhng lùhng; 'yellow dragon'), hornless dragon symbolizing the emperor</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"><strong>Jiaolong </strong>(蛟龍; jiāolóng; chiao-lung; gaau1 lung4; gāau lùhng; 'crocodile dragon'), hornless or scaled dragon, leader of all aquatic animals</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"><strong>Longwang </strong>(龍王; lóngwáng; lung-wang; lung4 wong4; lùhng wòhng; 'Dragon Kings') divine rulers of the Four Seas; the inspiration for both the Lung Wang and the Dragon Turtle of AD&D</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"><strong>Panlong </strong>(蟠龍; pánlóng; p'an-lung; pun4 lung4; pùhn lùhng; 'coiled dragon'), lake dragon that has not ascended to heaven; the inspiration for the Pan Lung of AD&D</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"><strong>Qinglong </strong>(青龍; qīnglóng; ch'ing-lung; cing1 lung4; chīng lùhng; 'Azure Dragon'), the animal associated with the East in the Chinese Four Symbols</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"><strong>Qiulong </strong>(虯龍; qíulóng; ch'iu-lung; kau4 lung4; kàuh lùhng; 'curling dragon'), contradictorily defined as both "horned dragon" and "hornless dragon"</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"><strong>Shenlong </strong>(神龍; shénlóng; shen-lung; san4 lung4; sàhn lùhng; 'god dragon'), thunder god that controls the weather, appearance of a human head, dragon's body, and drum-like stomach; the inspiration for the Shen Lung of AD&D</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"><strong>Tianlong </strong>(天龍; tiānlóng; t'ien-lung; tin1 lung4; tīn lùhng; 'heavenly dragon'), celestial dragon that guards heavenly palaces and pulls divine chariots; inspiration for the T'ien Lung of AD&D</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"><strong>Yinglong </strong>(應龍; yìnglóng; ying-lung; jing3 lung4; yīng lùhng; 'responding dragon'), winged dragon associated with rains and floods; possibly the inspiration for the Tun Mi Lung of AD&D</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"><strong>Zhulong </strong>(燭龍; zhúlóng; chu-lung; zuk1 lung4; jūk lùhng; 'torch dragon') or Zhuyin (燭陰; zhúyīn; chu-yin; zuk1 jam1; jūk yām; 'illuminating darkness') was a giant red draconic solar deity with a human's face and snake's body, which created day and night by opening and closing its eyes and created seasonal winds by breathing.</li> </ul><p>The <strong>Yu Lung</strong> of AD&D, the "Carp Dragon," comes from the myth of Longmen (the Dragon Gate) which was located at the top of a waterfall on a mythical mountain. The myth states that the few carp who are able to swim upstream for the final leap over the waterfall are transformed into dragons. However, this was not (<em>mythologically </em>speaking) the origin of <em>all</em> Chinese dragons; most of them were created in their final form to fulfill their purpose as given by the Emperor.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="RealAlHazred, post: 9188403, member: 25818"] A note on nomenclature: eventually, these were officially called "Lung" dragons after the Wade-Giles transliteration of the Chinese 龙 (simplified) or 龍 (imperial), as "[I]lung[/I]". Nowadays, this is usually transliterated into English as "[I]lóng[/I]". So, yes, the official D&D name for them as "dragon dragons." In the original [I][B]The Strategic Review[/B][/I] article, they were called "Chinese dragons," but the mythology of them spread beyond the mainland to other parts of Asia before the modern era. The [B][I]Fiend Folio[/I][/B] incarnation calls them "Oriental Dragons," so, sort of like Oriental Rugs, a stylistic element from the Exotic Far East. There is an extensive conversion of the Chinese dragons to 5th edition on [URL='https://www.electric-rain.net/tag/lung-dragon/']this guy's blog[/URL]. Wikipedia lists them as: [LIST] [*][B]Chilong [/B](螭龍 or 魑龍; chīlóng; ch'ih-lung; ci1 lung4; chī lùhng; 'demon dragon'), a hornless dragon or mountain demon; I think these are probably the inspiration for the Li Lung of AD&D [*][B]Dilong [/B](地龍; dìlóng; ti-lung; dei6 lung4; deih lùhng; 'earth dragon'), controller of rivers and seas; effectively the Chiang Lung of AD&D [*][B]Feilong [/B](飛龍; fēilóng; fei-lung; fei1 lung4; fēi lùhng; 'flying dragon'), winged dragon that rides on clouds and mist [*][B]Fuzanglong [/B](伏藏龍; fúcánglóng; fu-ts'ang-lung; fuk6 zong6 lung4; fuhk johng lùhng; 'hidden treasure dragon'), underworld guardian of precious metals and jewels, associated with volcanoes [*][B]Huanglong [/B](黃龍; huánglóng; huang-lung; wong4 lung4; wòhng lùhng; 'yellow dragon'), hornless dragon symbolizing the emperor [*][B]Jiaolong [/B](蛟龍; jiāolóng; chiao-lung; gaau1 lung4; gāau lùhng; 'crocodile dragon'), hornless or scaled dragon, leader of all aquatic animals [*][B]Longwang [/B](龍王; lóngwáng; lung-wang; lung4 wong4; lùhng wòhng; 'Dragon Kings') divine rulers of the Four Seas; the inspiration for both the Lung Wang and the Dragon Turtle of AD&D [*][B]Panlong [/B](蟠龍; pánlóng; p'an-lung; pun4 lung4; pùhn lùhng; 'coiled dragon'), lake dragon that has not ascended to heaven; the inspiration for the Pan Lung of AD&D [*][B]Qinglong [/B](青龍; qīnglóng; ch'ing-lung; cing1 lung4; chīng lùhng; 'Azure Dragon'), the animal associated with the East in the Chinese Four Symbols [*][B]Qiulong [/B](虯龍; qíulóng; ch'iu-lung; kau4 lung4; kàuh lùhng; 'curling dragon'), contradictorily defined as both "horned dragon" and "hornless dragon" [*][B]Shenlong [/B](神龍; shénlóng; shen-lung; san4 lung4; sàhn lùhng; 'god dragon'), thunder god that controls the weather, appearance of a human head, dragon's body, and drum-like stomach; the inspiration for the Shen Lung of AD&D [*][B]Tianlong [/B](天龍; tiānlóng; t'ien-lung; tin1 lung4; tīn lùhng; 'heavenly dragon'), celestial dragon that guards heavenly palaces and pulls divine chariots; inspiration for the T'ien Lung of AD&D [*][B]Yinglong [/B](應龍; yìnglóng; ying-lung; jing3 lung4; yīng lùhng; 'responding dragon'), winged dragon associated with rains and floods; possibly the inspiration for the Tun Mi Lung of AD&D [*][B]Zhulong [/B](燭龍; zhúlóng; chu-lung; zuk1 lung4; jūk lùhng; 'torch dragon') or Zhuyin (燭陰; zhúyīn; chu-yin; zuk1 jam1; jūk yām; 'illuminating darkness') was a giant red draconic solar deity with a human's face and snake's body, which created day and night by opening and closing its eyes and created seasonal winds by breathing. [/LIST] The [B]Yu Lung[/B] of AD&D, the "Carp Dragon," comes from the myth of Longmen (the Dragon Gate) which was located at the top of a waterfall on a mythical mountain. The myth states that the few carp who are able to swim upstream for the final leap over the waterfall are transformed into dragons. However, this was not ([I]mythologically [/I]speaking) the origin of [I]all[/I] Chinese dragons; most of them were created in their final form to fulfill their purpose as given by the Emperor. [/QUOTE]
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