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Message: <blockquote data-quote="EzekielRaiden" data-source="post: 8875992" data-attributes="member: 6790260">My counter on this is:You can get the "help a town against a goblinoid horde" and still get to do the cool things. Like...those aren't at all mutually exclusive. Nor is there even the slightest hint of requiring anything like "the power fantasy of killing a demon lord of hell before they ever get an action." (Frankly, I consider that sort of rocket-tag equally boring from the opposite direction. When you vaporize an encounter as soon as it's begun, there's no tension, no interest, no value to the exchange.)I want to be able to throw my sword at a distant warg-rider and then teleport to where my sword just went. Or to drive a hobgoblin swordsman away from his comrades because by my deity's power I am stronger when I stand alone. Or to call up the soaring eagle spirit that has guided my people for generations, that we may rain swift arrows upon the rampaging horde.I don't want to spend 4 levels (of the size and rate expected in 3e, I mean) barely able to cast a spell or stab an enemy before I'm allowed to be a stealthy mage-thief. 5e made an attempt (IMO not a very successful one*) to standardize starting at 3rd level for veteran players, with levels 1 and 2 being "training wheels" levels for brand-new players or players specifically wanting the "zero to hero" experience, but they did at least make it so most of the time** these levels go by very quickly and you get to the level where most characters have their starting kit within a few sessions, rather than taking several months even with weekly sessions.*Because way, way, way, WAY too many DMs still think every character HAS to start at level 1. Finding games that start higher than 1 is uncommon; convincing someone to start higher than 1 is like pulling teeth, I swear to God.**Several games I've been in have kept the players stuck at level 1 for almost a month, and clearly they would've been at level 2 for just as long if not longer....but almost all of those games have petered out before that could happen because the players lost interest.</blockquote>

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