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<blockquote data-quote="CleverNickName" data-source="post: 8800601" data-attributes="member: 50987">Yes, but the 5E system isn't supposed to be backwards-compatible with 4E, either.&nbsp; I understand the disappointment, but I also understand why WotC had to move away from 4E.&nbsp; And even good-faith efforts to adapt pieces of it into 5E will be challenging to varying degrees.&nbsp; That's what I meant by &quot;kludgy.&quot;I didn't mean to imply that you were demanding perfection here; I just meant to say that I realize my &quot;I've never played 4E but here's a Warden character build&quot; might not be what people are looking for.I agree completely.&nbsp; The juice just isn't worth the squeeze sometimes...sure, you can try to hammer bits and pieces together like I did with this &quot;Wierden&quot; build.&nbsp; Or you can write a completely new subclass (or for the very brave, a completely new core class!) complete with new abilities.&nbsp; The best approach (according to me) would be to rebuild the Warlock: a core class with spells and abilities that reset on a short rest, and lots of Don't-Call-Them-Invocations that the player can choose from to outfit it properly.&nbsp; But that's a TON of work for one character class.&nbsp; (And the internet being what it is, no matter what you write most people will take one look at it and complain that it's too similar to This Other Class Over Here, or not good enough.)I'm familiar with the Warlord, but mostly from internet discussions here on ENWorld.&nbsp; (These discussions all come to the same conclusion: one person will suggest a way the Warlord could be done, and three others will say &quot;no not like that.&quot;)&nbsp; What does the Warlord do in 4E that can't be done in 5E by, say, a College of Swords bard with the right feats/spells?&nbsp; (Again, serious question, I promise I'm not trolling.)</blockquote>

[QUOTE="CleverNickName, post: 8800601, member: 50987"] Yes, but the 5E system isn't supposed to be backwards-compatible with 4E, either. I understand the disappointment, but I also understand why WotC had to move away from 4E. And even good-faith efforts to adapt pieces of it into 5E will be challenging to varying degrees. That's what I meant by "kludgy." I didn't mean to imply that you were demanding perfection here; I just meant to say that I realize my "I've never played 4E but here's a Warden character build" might not be what people are looking for. I agree completely. The juice just isn't worth the squeeze sometimes...sure, you can try to hammer bits and pieces together like I did with this "Wierden" build. Or you can write a completely new subclass (or for the very brave, a completely new core class!) complete with new abilities. The [I]best[/I] approach (according to me) would be to rebuild the Warlock: a core class with spells and abilities that reset on a short rest, and lots of Don't-Call-Them-Invocations that the player can choose from to outfit it properly. But that's a TON of work for one character class. (And the internet being what it is, no matter what you write most people will take one look at it and complain that it's too similar to This Other Class Over Here, or not good enough.) I'm familiar with the Warlord, but mostly from internet discussions here on ENWorld. (These discussions all come to the same conclusion: one person will suggest a way the Warlord could be done, and three others will say "no not like that.") What does the Warlord do in 4E that can't be done in 5E by, say, a College of Swords bard with the right feats/spells? (Again, serious question, I promise I'm not trolling.) [/QUOTE]

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