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<blockquote data-quote="EzekielRaiden" data-source="post: 8801022" data-attributes="member: 6790260">I certainly don't see any hypocrisy in it.I genuinely 100% do not want 9 (and a half) &quot;tiers&quot; of &quot;commands&quot; which come in discrete chunky &quot;positions,&quot; where you learn a set number of &quot;commands&quot; per &quot;tier&quot; based on your &quot;command level,&quot; with increased power if you &quot;uprally&quot; them into higher-&quot;tier&quot; &quot;positions.&quot;Powers aren't spells because spells are really specific things. It's really obvious when you're using the spell slot mechanic vs when you aren't. Powers? Every pre-defined action is a power! Taking an instant to catch your breath is a power (Second Wind.) Throwing a stone is a power (Ranged Basic Attack.) Patching up an unconscious ally is a power (Stabilize Ally.) Drinking a potion is a power (formally, each individual potion is a distinct power, because there are different effects for different potions.) Channel Divinity is a power. Lay on Hands is a power. Wild Shape is a power.Like...you already recognize that there is a difference, a rather important one, between features like Channel Divinity or Wild Shape or Rage and spells, right? 5e treats them very differently. 4e says, &quot;Do we really need to? They're all pre-defined actions. Wouldn't it be useful if they spoke a common language, rather than speaking four mutually unintelligible languages?&quot;It is neither the case that 4e made all characters spellcasters nor that it made all characters non-spellcasters. Instead, it said, &quot;Spells are one kind of action players can take. We want a framework that can let both spells AND non-spells receive the same kinds of buffs and debuffs, so that everyone is on the same page and agrees on the value of various bonuses or penalties.&quot;&quot;Powers&quot; are at a higher level of abstraction than &quot;magic&quot; vs &quot;nonmagic,&quot; let alone &quot;spells&quot; vs &quot;non-spells.&quot; Spells are not all possible pre-defined actions in 5e. All pre-defined actions are powers in 4e.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="EzekielRaiden, post: 8801022, member: 6790260"] I certainly don't see any hypocrisy in it. I genuinely 100% do not want 9 (and a half) "tiers" of "commands" which come in discrete chunky "positions," where you learn a set number of "commands" per "tier" based on your "command level," with increased power if you "uprally" them into higher-"tier" "positions." Powers aren't spells because spells are really specific things. It's really obvious when you're using the spell slot mechanic vs when you aren't. Powers? Every pre-defined action is a power! Taking an instant to catch your breath is a power (Second Wind.) Throwing a stone is a power (Ranged Basic Attack.) Patching up an unconscious ally is a power (Stabilize Ally.) Drinking a potion is a power (formally, each individual potion is a distinct power, because there are different effects for different potions.) Channel Divinity is a power. Lay on Hands is a power. Wild Shape is a power. Like...you already recognize that there is a difference, a rather important one, between features like Channel Divinity or Wild Shape or Rage and spells, right? 5e treats them very differently. 4e says, "Do we really need to? They're [I]all[/I] pre-defined actions. Wouldn't it be [I]useful[/I] if they spoke a common language, rather than speaking four mutually unintelligible languages?" It is neither the case that 4e made all characters spellcasters nor that it made all characters [I]non[/I]-spellcasters. Instead, it said, "Spells are one kind of action players can take. We want a framework that can let [I]both[/I] spells AND non-spells receive the same kinds of buffs and debuffs, so that everyone is on the same page and agrees on the value of various bonuses or penalties." "Powers" are at a higher level of abstraction than "magic" vs "nonmagic," let alone "spells" vs "non-spells." Spells are not all possible pre-defined actions in 5e. All pre-defined actions are powers in 4e. [/QUOTE]

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