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<blockquote data-quote="Lycurgon" data-source="post: 8801908" data-attributes="member: 7025583"><p>Personally I don't see the Oath of Ancients as an attempt to incorporate Wardens into 5e. I see them as an attempt to make what they say they are - Green Knights or Fey Knights. It is about protecting the Light and Beauty in the world, not about being guardians of nature.</p><p></p><p></p><p>I don't think it is fair to criticise 5e for not living up to being modular, flexible and easy to modify if the solutions you are looking at is just using existing rules and kludging classes together. The point that it is easy to modify means that you need to <em>modify</em> it to get a result that is not already part of the published rules. 5e is easy to modify and create new rules. If you want a Warlord or a Warden, which don't exist in the official rules, you can make one or find one made by other people. Or you can modify existing rules and put things together in different way, creating new options by taking a bit from here, there and anywhere to make what you want. If you want to make use of the open, flexible and easy to modify nature of 5e, you need to be willing to modify or accept the modifications others have made/suggested. </p><p></p><p>I like KibblesTasty's homebrew Warden class. For me, it has the right flavour and mechanics to capture the concept of the 4e Warden. I am not entirely sure about the balance of it yet, I haven't playtested it yet, but the flavour is great for a Warden conversion. It fits in well with how the existing rules work and adds new and interesting powers to do things similar to what the 4e version could. </p><p>KibblesTasty has also made a Warlord homebrew too, although I am not that familiar with it so can't say much about it (so have lots of other people on the internet, but KibblesTasty is one of the more popular class and subclass homebrewer.)</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Lycurgon, post: 8801908, member: 7025583"] Personally I don't see the Oath of Ancients as an attempt to incorporate Wardens into 5e. I see them as an attempt to make what they say they are - Green Knights or Fey Knights. It is about protecting the Light and Beauty in the world, not about being guardians of nature. I don't think it is fair to criticise 5e for not living up to being modular, flexible and easy to modify if the solutions you are looking at is just using existing rules and kludging classes together. The point that it is easy to modify means that you need to [I]modify[/I] it to get a result that is not already part of the published rules. 5e is easy to modify and create new rules. If you want a Warlord or a Warden, which don't exist in the official rules, you can make one or find one made by other people. Or you can modify existing rules and put things together in different way, creating new options by taking a bit from here, there and anywhere to make what you want. If you want to make use of the open, flexible and easy to modify nature of 5e, you need to be willing to modify or accept the modifications others have made/suggested. I like KibblesTasty's homebrew Warden class. For me, it has the right flavour and mechanics to capture the concept of the 4e Warden. I am not entirely sure about the balance of it yet, I haven't playtested it yet, but the flavour is great for a Warden conversion. It fits in well with how the existing rules work and adds new and interesting powers to do things similar to what the 4e version could. KibblesTasty has also made a Warlord homebrew too, although I am not that familiar with it so can't say much about it (so have lots of other people on the internet, but KibblesTasty is one of the more popular class and subclass homebrewer.) [/QUOTE]
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