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<blockquote data-quote="doctorbadwolf" data-source="post: 8835033" data-attributes="member: 6704184">Because they made a deal. There is, IMO, literally no point in the class existing at all if it is required to do the bidding of some otherworldly being, begging it for every spell and powerup. If the Warlock must have a &quot;patron&quot; (and IMO they don't need to have one), then they should absolutely be able to act against that &quot;patron&quot;, and face the reprisal of that patron in the form of external danger, not &quot;oops no powers lol&quot;. If that means&nbsp; that the warlock should be assumed to have already paid for the power, or owe a debt such as their soul, or a deed done in turn, or that a little bit of the spark of life and soul is siphoned from each creature the warlock defeats and sent to the patron, whatever, great! As for &quot;ensuring you do what they want&quot;, there should be something you are expected to do, sure, but that doesn't mean you are their servant, it means you owe them a debt that must be paid, sooner or later, unless you can find a way out of your bargain. Murder a specific person at a predetermined time, which yo uwill be informed of when the time comes. Bring the lost love of the Prince of Frost back to him (or the Lady of The White Well, for a less sinister story). Sow chaos, most especially bringing woe and destruction down onto the powerful and abusive on behalf of Hyrsam, go insane or whatever GOOs want, etc. Whatever it is, yes, the consequences for not doing it are existential threat rather than just...not being able to do anything. Because you aren't a servant of a god.Metamagics are a deeply secondary part of the class, after the origins, and the sorcery points themselves, and are part of the class only as a way to try and represent that the sorcerer as tapping into the weave directly, and thus they break the rules of spellcraft, casting spells by force of will and instinct, not by memorization or learning. What of that even survives making it a type of wizard?</blockquote>

[QUOTE="doctorbadwolf, post: 8835033, member: 6704184"] Because they made a deal. There is, IMO, literally no point in the class existing at all if it is required to do the bidding of some otherworldly being, begging it for every spell and powerup. If the Warlock must have a "patron" (and IMO they don't need to have one), then they should absolutely be able to act against that "patron", and face the reprisal of that patron in the form of external danger, not "oops no powers lol". If that means that the warlock should be assumed to have already paid for the power, or owe a debt such as their soul, or a deed done in turn, or that a little bit of the spark of life and soul is siphoned from each creature the warlock defeats and sent to the patron, whatever, great! As for "ensuring you do what they want", there should be something you are expected to do, sure, but that doesn't mean you are their servant, it means you owe them a debt that must be paid, sooner or later, unless you can find a way out of your bargain. Murder a specific person at a predetermined time, which yo uwill be informed of when the time comes. Bring the lost love of the Prince of Frost back to him (or the Lady of The White Well, for a less sinister story). Sow chaos, most especially bringing woe and destruction down onto the powerful and abusive on behalf of Hyrsam, go insane or whatever GOOs want, etc. Whatever it is, yes, the consequences for not doing it are existential threat rather than just...not being able to do anything. Because you aren't a servant of a god. Metamagics are a deeply secondary part of the class, after the origins, and the sorcery points themselves, and are part of the class only as a way to try and represent that the sorcerer as tapping into the weave directly, and thus they break the rules of spellcraft, casting spells by force of will and instinct, not by memorization or learning. What of that even survives making it a type of wizard? [/QUOTE]

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