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Message: <blockquote data-quote="EzekielRaiden" data-source="post: 8847925" data-attributes="member: 6790260">I do have things I could say in response [USER=6778479]@Shadowdweller00[/USER] but I feel the conversation has gotten sufficiently off-topic that it would not be wise to continue. Again, I want to thank you for your respectful discussion and openness; it's been most refreshing compared to the usual way discussions on this topic plays out.Back to the survivor thread topic itself:Barbarian would seem to be the "dark horse" candidate going forward. It's stayed right up there with Rogue, the one everyone initially predicted would be the sneaky "squeak past by being inoffensive" option, pretty much this whole time. The two of them remain tied for first. Usually when options like that pull ahead of others, they pretty quickly attract negative attention, but I think the larger pools of points this time around are encouraging people to focus on pushing out options they don't want to win and defending options they don't want to lose.Fighter, of course, remains one of the most, if not the most, controversial on the list. I'm pretty sure it's gotten a plurality of total votes (that is, both positive and negative together.) It's certainly gotten more than enough downvotes to have been eliminated by now without the many upvotes it's gotten. There seem to be a lot of strong feelings about it. Meanwhile poor Cleric got nuked from orbit almost certainly just because of the snafu with its voting.Monk would seem to be the next dogpile target, after Warlock. It was doing quite well for a good while there, but the vocal "Monk should never exist" contingent is likely to turn to it once the other less-traditional classes have been eliminated. But since Wizard is tied with Monk, it's also possible Wizard could be the next casualty, which would be rather surprising. Definitely seems that Abjuration won the battle but lost the war--it was a safe, no-risk choice amongst other Wizard subclasses but appears to have been too safe in the final round.And, on that front, it would seem almost everyone had really, really off predictions for most of the "what will do well in the finals" stuff. Cleric may be an exception since (as noted) it was doomed  from the getgo purely due to procedural errors, but Abjuration has done poorly, Ancients hasn't had the expected stellar showing, Divine Soul got obliterated with extreme prejudice, and Shepherd is doing almost as badly as Abjuration. Lore has also gotten heavily dunked on despite my continual efforts to prop it up, with people explicitly calling it out as being a bad pick and not what best represents the Bard class. Definitely think Eloquence would be doing much better at this point. Which is super ironic, because Lore overwhelmingly won the Bard round--it was at friggin' 33 points when Eloquence, its final rival, was eliminated. How the mighty are fallen.Edit: I've only surveyed the first 10 pages, and yeah. Already 38 votes of some kind in just that range. Fighter is essentially guaranteed to be the single most selected option from the list unless it dies a sudden and completely unexpected death.</blockquote>

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