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Message: <blockquote data-quote="DND_Reborn" data-source="post: 8854287" data-attributes="member: 6987520">Ok, it is funny you mention Tempest Cleric because that is one of my other PCs in the same game.I decided to try it out after it won the Cleric survivor thread. While I can see it's appeal (much of which you've outlined) I regret to say that I've used its Channel Divinity feature once and nothing else. I do use heavy armor (and shield) for AC 19, with a warpick and the PC has STR 16, so does decent weapon damage when not using Toll the Dead.Sadly, just about any other heavy armor proficiency/martial weapons subclass would work equally well, if not better. Once again leading me to wonder why even bother with subclasses?I love College of Lore, but am not a fan of Bards, so "College of Lore" would make a great Wizard subclass with just a little tweaking! <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />I haven't seen Bards getting replaced by Warlock, but it isn't surprising in some ways. I think Lore and Swords are the two most common Bard subclasses IME currently.For me to the point I haven't even bothered with them.So many of them are just add superiority die to damage blah blah blah.</blockquote>