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Comparing editions: What is Strength?
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<blockquote data-quote="Willie the Duck" data-source="post: 8647267" data-attributes="member: 6799660"><p>Two notes: </p><p>1) Str affects XP in 2e as well as 1e. It is a prime requisite for the warrior group of classes and contributes 5 or 10% xp boost for them and the occasional specialty priests.</p><p>2) I remember there being exactly one spell or magic item in 'BECM' ('I' uses a 1-100 scale) that can net a short term 19 strength (and a +4 bonus). I will try to look for it.</p><p></p><p>I think that (summary statement about what strength measures notwithstanding) oD&D and basic/classic lines leaned more into the idea of strength as a general level of adhering to the mighty-warrior trope. oD&D being the most clearly so -- it doesn't even change how much you can carry, just makes you better (faster levelling) at being a character archetype that is known for being mighty. Supp. I and the AD&D line leaned farther into the 'it's actually strength.' </p><p></p><p>Personally, I think they should have left out the max press and stuck to abstract metrics (1/6 vs 1/3 change of forcing a 'stuck door') or things one can argue up and down but in the end no clinical answer (encumbrance levels measure what you can consistently carry, and at what speed, which is arguable but once you add in what D&D does to speeds, you recognize as a gaming construct). By adding max press, it opens the door to comparing to world records (especially gender divergence in), players rating their own scores (and, especially amongst kids, fighting about it), etc. Most importantly it plants a flag in the ground as to where D&D stands on the realistic-cinematic-mythic level of realism (where otherwise it stays vague). </p><p></p><p>Personally, I think they should have left terms like strength and intelligence (and definitely comeliness) out of it and had attributes like Might, Learnedness, Presence, etc.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Willie the Duck, post: 8647267, member: 6799660"] Two notes: 1) Str affects XP in 2e as well as 1e. It is a prime requisite for the warrior group of classes and contributes 5 or 10% xp boost for them and the occasional specialty priests. 2) I remember there being exactly one spell or magic item in 'BECM' ('I' uses a 1-100 scale) that can net a short term 19 strength (and a +4 bonus). I will try to look for it. I think that (summary statement about what strength measures notwithstanding) oD&D and basic/classic lines leaned more into the idea of strength as a general level of adhering to the mighty-warrior trope. oD&D being the most clearly so -- it doesn't even change how much you can carry, just makes you better (faster levelling) at being a character archetype that is known for being mighty. Supp. I and the AD&D line leaned farther into the 'it's actually strength.' Personally, I think they should have left out the max press and stuck to abstract metrics (1/6 vs 1/3 change of forcing a 'stuck door') or things one can argue up and down but in the end no clinical answer (encumbrance levels measure what you can consistently carry, and at what speed, which is arguable but once you add in what D&D does to speeds, you recognize as a gaming construct). By adding max press, it opens the door to comparing to world records (especially gender divergence in), players rating their own scores (and, especially amongst kids, fighting about it), etc. Most importantly it plants a flag in the ground as to where D&D stands on the realistic-cinematic-mythic level of realism (where otherwise it stays vague). Personally, I think they should have left terms like strength and intelligence (and definitely comeliness) out of it and had attributes like Might, Learnedness, Presence, etc. [/QUOTE]
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