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<blockquote data-quote="auburn2" data-source="post: 8227242" data-attributes="member: 6855259">There is no difference here.&nbsp; For most Monks, stunning strike is their main combat feature and really their main source of damage and if they are a melee character it is explicitly what they are about in combat after level 5 and they upgrade it continuously through higher save DC and more Ki.The boring argument rests on the idea you spam it over and over and lack variety in your attack,.&nbsp; For a Rogue SA is &quot;the thing&quot; to spam not just most, but virtually all the time and there is no real&nbsp; way to build an effective Rogue that does not spam it, while you can have a very effective monk that does not spam stunning strikec.&nbsp; Everything you say here is more true for SA than Stunniong Strike.&nbsp; A rogue spams SA over and over again.I am saying the character will spam the ability and do the same thing over and over again, which is the definition of boring.Being a Monk is a choice, and using stunning fist is one of many ways to use Ki (the most effective but still one of many).&nbsp; A Monk could optimize his character around damage by taking feats like shapshooter, fighting initiate, piercer, tavern brawler and GWM.&nbsp; That is not how I would go but they are all viable feats that can boost damage on a single class Monk build.I like the Monk design and there are plenty of ways to optimize it for damage using feats and other things, while keeping the abilities it has now.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="auburn2, post: 8227242, member: 6855259"] There is no difference here. For most Monks, stunning strike is their main combat feature and really their main source of damage and if they are a melee character it is explicitly what they are about in combat after level 5 and they upgrade it continuously through higher save DC and more Ki. The boring argument rests on the idea you spam it over and over and lack variety in your attack,. For a Rogue SA is "the thing" to spam not just most, but virtually all the time and there is no real way to build an effective Rogue that does not spam it, while you can have a very effective monk that does not spam stunning strikec. Everything you say here is more true for SA than Stunniong Strike. A rogue spams SA over and over again. I am saying the character will spam the ability and do the same thing over and over again, which is the definition of boring. Being a Monk is a choice, and using stunning fist is one of many ways to use Ki (the most effective but still one of many). A Monk could optimize his character around damage by taking feats like shapshooter, fighting initiate, piercer, tavern brawler and GWM. That is not how I would go but they are all viable feats that can boost damage on a single class Monk build. I like the Monk design and there are plenty of ways to optimize it for damage using feats and other things, while keeping the abilities it has now. [/QUOTE]

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