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<blockquote data-quote="dogboy" data-source="post: 1636531" data-attributes="member: 19880">No offense taken Najo, but I'm not wrong on this one. I am not suggesting that Wizards put out loss leaders. What I am suggesting is that they keep the consumer in mind when putting out products. Sorry, but I do not buy an argument coming from the industry that says that TSR wasn't charging enough and you shouldn't either. To do so would be pure naivety. What this sounds like is a defensive position taken to justify steep increases and products that are essentially re-packaged as brand new when we have seen them before with other names. Really, you don't honestly believe that Complete Warrior isn't Sword and Fist in a different guise? And why was there a retool of the game when Wizards took over from TSR? Why not just keep on making supplements for 2nd Edition instead of creating a &quot;brand new&quot; setof rules with a whole lot of books that people will have to buy if they want to play the new game? The answers to these questions are obvious. In short, don't believe the hype!As for not wanting to play with younger players, my group has three players in the 16-18 range and we are a group of older players. I also have friends that run a gaming group whose only purpose is to teach younger players about role playing games. But I have to say Najo, it's one thing to sell books at 30-40 bucks to adults with disposable income. Maybe even to sell them to kids whose parents can shell out that kind of money. But try that with kids from lower income families where that money makes a big difference. There are people who can not afford that kind of money.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="dogboy, post: 1636531, member: 19880"] No offense taken Najo, but I'm not wrong on this one. I am not suggesting that Wizards put out loss leaders. What I am suggesting is that they keep the consumer in mind when putting out products. Sorry, but I do not buy an argument coming from the industry that says that TSR wasn't charging enough and you shouldn't either. To do so would be pure naivety. What this sounds like is a defensive position taken to justify steep increases and products that are essentially re-packaged as brand new when we have seen them before with other names. Really, you don't honestly believe that Complete Warrior isn't Sword and Fist in a different guise? And why was there a retool of the game when Wizards took over from TSR? Why not just keep on making supplements for 2nd Edition instead of creating a "brand new" set of rules with a whole lot of books that people will have to buy if they want to play the new game? The answers to these questions are obvious. In short, don't believe the hype! As for not wanting to play with younger players, my group has three players in the 16-18 range and we are a group of older players. I also have friends that run a gaming group whose only purpose is to teach younger players about role playing games. But I have to say Najo, it's one thing to sell books at 30-40 bucks to adults with disposable income. Maybe even to sell them to kids whose parents can shell out that kind of money. But try that with kids from lower income families where that money makes a big difference. There are people who can not afford that kind of money. [/QUOTE]

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