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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Creamsteak" data-source="post: 3733308" data-attributes="member: 552">I'm curious where 4e is drawing the line in the sand. All this speculation (9 pages worth at this point) is still speculation. Good or bad. There are just so many different possible implementations of the differences between the two sides. There are a lot of compromises that will keep some portion of people happy from both sides. And mearls statement leeds me to believe that he made this decision "for this system." And he said that he understand the desire to have some portability. Dnd is somewhere other than the cthulhu example given though. The idea of a drow, half-dragon, or minotaur pc falls in line with a lot of dndisms that I've seen. All of these options still "play" like a PC, just 'different.' That's right in line with what the goals are by making distinctions between the dwarf fighter and the elf fighter. By allowing multiple options to play the same classes (or in this case roles) in completely different ways. But a half-(insert cthulhu monster number 7 here) is a completely different game than a regular investigator in CoC.Some monsters are, I feel, intended to fight on the level of a whole party at once. The dragon or the beholder are the two common examples here. There's a whole lot of examples in between the dragon and the town guardsman. There's going to be some kind of "line" of seperation somewhere.This brings a totally stray wandering thought to me. What if classes are the base, rather than the race? As it stands in 3e, the race is a set of statistics that are base, and then the class kind of gets "applied" to the racial modifiers. Obviously you "could" build the character around the class first then tack on the racials, there's nothing stopping it, but I mean intuitively. It's also possible though that the approach could be reversed in design, which would "imply" some rather significant differences with how monsters and other creatures work.</blockquote>

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