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[Complete Divine] Radiant Servant of Pelor is too powerful.
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<blockquote data-quote="ForceUser" data-source="post: 1545305" data-attributes="member: 2785"><p>I cracked open my new CD Friday night, and lo & behold the RSoP looks like it was cut-&-pasted from Dragon magazine. This class is overpowered. Here's why:</p><p></p><p><u>What a cleric loses transitioning to this class</u></p><p>D8 hit die. It becomes a d6.</p><p></p><p><u>What a cleric gains transitioning to this class</u></p><ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Martial weapon proficiency.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Greater Turning 3 + Cha modifier per day.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Radiance - light spells double in illumination radius.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Turn undead continues to progress.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">He becomes immune to all diseases.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">He can first empower, then later maximize, then later do both at once for no extra cost with Healing domain spells.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">The Radiant Servant and all allies within 10 feet gain +2 morale bonus on all Will saves.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">He gets a third domain.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">For the cost of 2 turn attempts, he can deal up to 10d6 positive energy damage to all undead within 100 feet.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"> He gains full cleric spellcasting progression on top of everything else.</li> </ul><p></p><p>What crack pipe was Noonan smoking when he cut-&-pasted this class? How is this not overpowered? Why would a cleric of Pelor not take this class? He gives up nothing but an average of 1 hit point per level - a paltry sum. </p><p></p><p>The Radiant Servant as listed in <u>Complete Divine</u> is overpowered & broken. I played one in 3.0 up to 14th character level, and he is the bees knees of clerics. He was so overpowered, in fact, that my DM and I put our heads together and made the following changes: </p><p></p><ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Removed martial weapon proficiency. It makes no sense thematically.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Restricted Extra Greater Turning to a <em>single</em> extra greater turning per day.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Lowered the spellcasting progression to 9/10 instead of 10/10. And I'd advocate lowering it even further - perhaps even as low as 7/10.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Removed the bonus domain. This was just over the top.</li> </ul><p></p><p>From the Monte Cook school of prestige class construction: a good prestige class is not more powerful than a core class, simply different & unique. He may be more focused in a single area of expertise, but if so he should pay for that focus by being weaker in other areas. The Radiant Servant does not follow this format. You can't say that forcing the class to take the Sun & Healing domains constitutes a sacrifice because these are two of the most powerful domains in the game. And the reduction in hit die to d6 is not weakening at all - he's a cleric. He heals really well - even better as a Radiant Servant.</p><p></p><p>What were these guys thinking?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="ForceUser, post: 1545305, member: 2785"] I cracked open my new CD Friday night, and lo & behold the RSoP looks like it was cut-&-pasted from Dragon magazine. This class is overpowered. Here's why: [u]What a cleric loses transitioning to this class[/u] D8 hit die. It becomes a d6. [u]What a cleric gains transitioning to this class[/u] [list][*]Martial weapon proficiency.[*]Greater Turning 3 + Cha modifier per day.[*]Radiance - light spells double in illumination radius.[*]Turn undead continues to progress.[*]He becomes immune to all diseases.[*]He can first empower, then later maximize, then later do both at once for no extra cost with Healing domain spells.[*]The Radiant Servant and all allies within 10 feet gain +2 morale bonus on all Will saves.[*]He gets a third domain.[*]For the cost of 2 turn attempts, he can deal up to 10d6 positive energy damage to all undead within 100 feet.[*] He gains full cleric spellcasting progression on top of everything else.[/list] What crack pipe was Noonan smoking when he cut-&-pasted this class? How is this not overpowered? Why would a cleric of Pelor not take this class? He gives up nothing but an average of 1 hit point per level - a paltry sum. The Radiant Servant as listed in [u]Complete Divine[/u] is overpowered & broken. I played one in 3.0 up to 14th character level, and he is the bees knees of clerics. He was so overpowered, in fact, that my DM and I put our heads together and made the following changes: [list][*]Removed martial weapon proficiency. It makes no sense thematically.[*]Restricted Extra Greater Turning to a [i]single[/i] extra greater turning per day.[*]Lowered the spellcasting progression to 9/10 instead of 10/10. And I'd advocate lowering it even further - perhaps even as low as 7/10.[*]Removed the bonus domain. This was just over the top.[/list] From the Monte Cook school of prestige class construction: a good prestige class is not more powerful than a core class, simply different & unique. He may be more focused in a single area of expertise, but if so he should pay for that focus by being weaker in other areas. The Radiant Servant does not follow this format. You can't say that forcing the class to take the Sun & Healing domains constitutes a sacrifice because these are two of the most powerful domains in the game. And the reduction in hit die to d6 is not weakening at all - he's a cleric. He heals really well - even better as a Radiant Servant. What were these guys thinking? [/QUOTE]
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