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<blockquote data-quote="BryonD" data-source="post: 3131055" data-attributes="member: 957">It is not.I don't see how responding to your point is side stepping it.Obviously it is significant that none of the examples you list actually exist.Which seems to be an example of you sidestepping the point I made.When compared straight up, storm bolt has some very significant disadvantage compared to call lightning (costs a permanent feat and very inferior range).When looked at itself, it is hard to make a case that is overpowered because the caster could be doing much better things with his combat rounds.Inventing an obviously broken feat does nothing to show that an actualy feat is broken.However, reasonable versions may be imaginable.&nbsp; For example, following the reserve feat model perhaps a dispel magic effect with a check of 1d20+reserved spell level and a range of touch would be ok.&nbsp; I'm shooting from the hip on that and would need to think about it some more.&nbsp; But a weaker dispel check that requires actually touching the target would be signficant drawbacks.&nbsp; This may not apply as well because dispel has so many uses outside combat that the opportunity cost is not as big a deal.&nbsp; As for healing, well, maybe both the reserve feat model and the dragon shaman model could work.&nbsp; Healing touch for 1 pnt/spell level with a maximum healing of up to 1/2 targets full HP.Not every concept works for the reserve feat idea.&nbsp; But I'm convinced that storm bolt does (with a save added perhaps), and I'm not yet convinced that any others that are actually in the book have a problem.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="BryonD, post: 3131055, member: 957"] It is not. I don't see how responding to your point is side stepping it. Obviously it is significant that none of the examples you list actually exist. Which seems to be an example of you sidestepping the point I made. When compared straight up, storm bolt has some very significant disadvantage compared to call lightning (costs a permanent feat and very inferior range). When looked at itself, it is hard to make a case that is overpowered because the caster could be doing much better things with his combat rounds. Inventing an obviously broken feat does nothing to show that an actualy feat is broken. However, reasonable versions may be imaginable. For example, following the reserve feat model perhaps a dispel magic effect with a check of 1d20+reserved spell level and a range of touch would be ok. I'm shooting from the hip on that and would need to think about it some more. But a weaker dispel check that requires actually touching the target would be signficant drawbacks. This may not apply as well because dispel has so many uses outside combat that the opportunity cost is not as big a deal. As for healing, well, maybe both the reserve feat model and the dragon shaman model could work. Healing touch for 1 pnt/spell level with a maximum healing of up to 1/2 targets full HP. Not every concept works for the reserve feat idea. But I'm convinced that storm bolt does (with a save added perhaps), and I'm not yet convinced that any others that are actually in the book have a problem. [/QUOTE]

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