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<blockquote data-quote="clearstream" data-source="post: 7226309" data-attributes="member: 71699"><p>To be even more specific, I believe the Errata and Sage Advice might have intentionally shifted what is possible. Are they saying that you need a hand free for ammo <em>whether or not</em> a crossbow is loaded? Or only that if it's not loaded, you always need a hand free?</p><p></p><p>Scenario 1) a <u>loaded</u> crossbow doesn't need a hand free for ammo</p><p>T1: attack (swish, swish), bonus (crossbow is loaded, twang)</p><p>T2: attack (swish, swish), free (stow sword), bonus (hand free for ammo, twang)</p><p>T3: free (draw sword), attack (swish, swish), no bonus (no hand free, crossbow isn't loaded)</p><p>T4: attack (swish, swish), free (stow sword), bonus (hand free for ammo, twang)</p><p>T5: free (draw sword), attack (swish, swish), no bonus (no hand free, crossbow isn't loaded)</p><p>etc 5/2 except for T1</p><p></p><p>Scenario 2) even a loaded crossbow needs a hand free for ammo</p><p>T1: attack (swish, swish), free (stow sword), bonus (hand free for ammo, twang)</p><p>T2: free (draw sword), attack (swish, swish), no bonus (no hand free, crossbow isn't loaded)</p><p>T3: attack (swish, swish), free (stow sword), bonus (hand free for ammo, twang)</p><p>T4: free (draw sword), attack (swish, swish), no bonus (no hand free, crossbow isn't loaded)</p><p>etc 5/2 flat</p><p></p><p>Scenario 3) as 2) but you can take your bonus action before your action</p><p>T1: attack (swish, swish), free (stow sword), bonus (hand free for ammo, twang)</p><p>T2: bonus (hand free for ammo, twang), free (draw sword), attack (swish, swish)</p><p>T3: attack (swish, swish), free (stow sword), bonus (hand free for ammo, twang)</p><p>T2: bonus (hand free for ammo, twang), free (draw sword), attack (swish, swish)</p><p>etc 3/1</p><p></p><p>Of course all this sheathing and drawing swords is nonsense, but we can picture it as a practiced martial executing a well-oiled routine that lets their guard briefly down while they reload. (They can't make opportunity attacks with their sword in those intervals where they are manipulating ammo, as between T1 and T2 in the second scenario.)</p><p></p><p>Summary - I could be mistaken. If the bonus action <em>can</em> be used before the attack action, then 3/1 is possible. Do you think that is a problem?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="clearstream, post: 7226309, member: 71699"] To be even more specific, I believe the Errata and Sage Advice might have intentionally shifted what is possible. Are they saying that you need a hand free for ammo [I]whether or not[/I] a crossbow is loaded? Or only that if it's not loaded, you always need a hand free? Scenario 1) a [U]loaded[/U] crossbow doesn't need a hand free for ammo T1: attack (swish, swish), bonus (crossbow is loaded, twang) T2: attack (swish, swish), free (stow sword), bonus (hand free for ammo, twang) T3: free (draw sword), attack (swish, swish), no bonus (no hand free, crossbow isn't loaded) T4: attack (swish, swish), free (stow sword), bonus (hand free for ammo, twang) T5: free (draw sword), attack (swish, swish), no bonus (no hand free, crossbow isn't loaded) etc 5/2 except for T1 Scenario 2) even a loaded crossbow needs a hand free for ammo T1: attack (swish, swish), free (stow sword), bonus (hand free for ammo, twang) T2: free (draw sword), attack (swish, swish), no bonus (no hand free, crossbow isn't loaded) T3: attack (swish, swish), free (stow sword), bonus (hand free for ammo, twang) T4: free (draw sword), attack (swish, swish), no bonus (no hand free, crossbow isn't loaded) etc 5/2 flat Scenario 3) as 2) but you can take your bonus action before your action T1: attack (swish, swish), free (stow sword), bonus (hand free for ammo, twang) T2: bonus (hand free for ammo, twang), free (draw sword), attack (swish, swish) T3: attack (swish, swish), free (stow sword), bonus (hand free for ammo, twang) T2: bonus (hand free for ammo, twang), free (draw sword), attack (swish, swish) etc 3/1 Of course all this sheathing and drawing swords is nonsense, but we can picture it as a practiced martial executing a well-oiled routine that lets their guard briefly down while they reload. (They can't make opportunity attacks with their sword in those intervals where they are manipulating ammo, as between T1 and T2 in the second scenario.) Summary - I could be mistaken. If the bonus action [I]can[/I] be used before the attack action, then 3/1 is possible. Do you think that is a problem? [/QUOTE]
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