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<blockquote data-quote="Xeviat" data-source="post: 7227678" data-attributes="member: 57494">Im more and more with you. Magic initiate's 1st level spell at 1st level is great, but it doesn't scale. Compare magic initiate taking cure wounds to the likes of the Healer or Inspiring Leader feats. The spell slot from Magic Initiate should scale in some way.Look at it this way: each level of a class is worth an ASI, minus the hp, hit dice, prof bonus, and the like. The full casters typically don't get abilities on their odd levels because they get a new spell level. They also typically get 2 slots for low-level spells, and these quickly jump to 3 slots.I'd strongly consider having the spell slot refresh on a short rest (so it does benefit spellcasters) and be set at level/4, round up (level 1 from 1-4th, 2nd 5-8th, 3rd 9-12th, 4th 13th-16th, and 5th at 17+). A 5th level spell should deal like 8d10 (44) damage, 55 if it was miss for none. A fighter's full four attacks could easily be 46-53.33, so the limited gain doesn't seem too big to me. It would grant 5d8 extra smite damage per short rest to a paladin, though, which may be problematic.Leaving all that there on the whiteboard for thinking. Aside from smite, this is still just a first level spell for noncasters. Let's say cure wounds was chosen. It would be like 5d8+2 to 5 for a typical noncaster grabbing it. That's 24.5-27.5 hp per short, or 75 or so per day at 20th. Healer is healing 50 per short rest, or 150 per day, so that's not a big deal.Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Xeviat, post: 7227678, member: 57494"] Im more and more with you. Magic initiate's 1st level spell at 1st level is great, but it doesn't scale. Compare magic initiate taking cure wounds to the likes of the Healer or Inspiring Leader feats. The spell slot from Magic Initiate should scale in some way. Look at it this way: each level of a class is worth an ASI, minus the hp, hit dice, prof bonus, and the like. The full casters typically don't get abilities on their odd levels because they get a new spell level. They also typically get 2 slots for low-level spells, and these quickly jump to 3 slots. I'd strongly consider having the spell slot refresh on a short rest (so it does benefit spellcasters) and be set at level/4, round up (level 1 from 1-4th, 2nd 5-8th, 3rd 9-12th, 4th 13th-16th, and 5th at 17+). A 5th level spell should deal like 8d10 (44) damage, 55 if it was miss for none. A fighter's full four attacks could easily be 46-53.33, so the limited gain doesn't seem too big to me. It would grant 5d8 extra smite damage per short rest to a paladin, though, which may be problematic. Leaving all that there on the whiteboard for thinking. Aside from smite, this is still just a first level spell for noncasters. Let's say cure wounds was chosen. It would be like 5d8+2 to 5 for a typical noncaster grabbing it. That's 24.5-27.5 hp per short, or 75 or so per day at 20th. Healer is healing 50 per short rest, or 150 per day, so that's not a big deal. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk [/QUOTE]

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