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<blockquote data-quote="delericho" data-source="post: 3287708" data-attributes="member: 22424"><p>Yay, another alignment thread! Haven't had a good argument for a while... <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Quite a lot of these I'm not familiar enough with to comment on. I shall restrict myself therefore to the ones I am familiar with...</p><p></p><p>Batman's alignment depends very much on which version of the character you're dealing with. The Adam West version of the character is clearly Lawful Good. Other versions vary, but he is seldom Lawful, and sometimes non-Good.</p><p></p><p>Indiana Jones I would have pegged as Neutral Good. I don't recall anything he's done that's particularly Lawful.</p><p></p><p>James Bond (as portrayed in the novels, in the early films, and in Casino Royale) is Lawful Evil. The character's alignment is closer to Neutral Good in much of the Roger Moore/Pierce Brosnan eras.</p><p></p><p>Han Solo I would have pegged as Chaotic Neutral at first, shifting to a clear Chaotic Good by the end of Star Wars.</p><p></p><p>I don't recall Boba Fett ever actually doing anything Evil. Neutral for this one. Neutral Evil if you can persuade me as to the character's evilness... but as I said, I don't see it in the films. (That said, he doesn't do much of anything in the films, when all is said and done.)</p><p></p><p>Sawyer I list as a clear Chaotic Neutral. He doesn't care for others, but he's not outright scum, despite what he'd like us to believe. And he's definately in the "every man for himself" camp, which fits Chaotic very neatly.</p><p></p><p>I would probably peg Mystique as a (very mild) Chaotic Evil, but must confess to a lack of knowledge of the character beyond the films.</p><p></p><p>I agree on Magneto, Spider Man, Zorro, Malcolm Reynolds, Starbuck, Captain Jack, and Riddick. Robin Hood is only Good if the rich he's stealing from are corrupt lords who are excessively overtaxing the peasantry, such that all he's doing is restoring wealth to where it rightly belongs. If his victims are just the medieval equivalents of Bill Gates and Donald Trump, then his thefts are Evil, and he's certainly not Good.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>CS is half right. A Lawful character is not necessarily beholden to the specific laws of the land. However, a Lawful character will necessarily be a believer in the notion of laws, and will accept that in virtually all cases the individual should be beholden to the laws of the land, even where he personally disagrees with them.</p><p></p><p>Following your own code is not a sufficient condition for being Lawful. Firstly, the code itself could be Chaotic. Even if it is not, following your own notion of right and wrong is a classically Chaotic position. It places the individual over society.</p><p></p><p>Very often, though, the characters who "follow their own code" over the laws of the land are doing nothing of the sort. Instead, they are subscribing to some communal, but perhaps not generally-accepted, standard of behaviour, such as the knightly code of chivalry, of the samurai's bushido. In either case, the character is generally Lawful, because he is beholden to a specific and public code, and can be held accountable to it. It's not just some code he's cobbled together for himself based on his own whims, and that is subject to change when it's inconvenient.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Why you act in an Evil manner has little to no bearing on your alignment. A pattern of Evil actions makes you Evil, whether you do it out of fun, or out of some twisted psychological need to be seen as a monster.</p><p></p><p>However, as I noted above, I agree that Sawyer isn't Evil.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>One such action does not make for an alignment change. If he had used that as an opportunity to change his behaviour (as, arguably, he did in CoR) then that would have some weight.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="delericho, post: 3287708, member: 22424"] Yay, another alignment thread! Haven't had a good argument for a while... :) Quite a lot of these I'm not familiar enough with to comment on. I shall restrict myself therefore to the ones I am familiar with... Batman's alignment depends very much on which version of the character you're dealing with. The Adam West version of the character is clearly Lawful Good. Other versions vary, but he is seldom Lawful, and sometimes non-Good. Indiana Jones I would have pegged as Neutral Good. I don't recall anything he's done that's particularly Lawful. James Bond (as portrayed in the novels, in the early films, and in Casino Royale) is Lawful Evil. The character's alignment is closer to Neutral Good in much of the Roger Moore/Pierce Brosnan eras. Han Solo I would have pegged as Chaotic Neutral at first, shifting to a clear Chaotic Good by the end of Star Wars. I don't recall Boba Fett ever actually doing anything Evil. Neutral for this one. Neutral Evil if you can persuade me as to the character's evilness... but as I said, I don't see it in the films. (That said, he doesn't do much of anything in the films, when all is said and done.) Sawyer I list as a clear Chaotic Neutral. He doesn't care for others, but he's not outright scum, despite what he'd like us to believe. And he's definately in the "every man for himself" camp, which fits Chaotic very neatly. I would probably peg Mystique as a (very mild) Chaotic Evil, but must confess to a lack of knowledge of the character beyond the films. I agree on Magneto, Spider Man, Zorro, Malcolm Reynolds, Starbuck, Captain Jack, and Riddick. Robin Hood is only Good if the rich he's stealing from are corrupt lords who are excessively overtaxing the peasantry, such that all he's doing is restoring wealth to where it rightly belongs. If his victims are just the medieval equivalents of Bill Gates and Donald Trump, then his thefts are Evil, and he's certainly not Good. CS is half right. A Lawful character is not necessarily beholden to the specific laws of the land. However, a Lawful character will necessarily be a believer in the notion of laws, and will accept that in virtually all cases the individual should be beholden to the laws of the land, even where he personally disagrees with them. Following your own code is not a sufficient condition for being Lawful. Firstly, the code itself could be Chaotic. Even if it is not, following your own notion of right and wrong is a classically Chaotic position. It places the individual over society. Very often, though, the characters who "follow their own code" over the laws of the land are doing nothing of the sort. Instead, they are subscribing to some communal, but perhaps not generally-accepted, standard of behaviour, such as the knightly code of chivalry, of the samurai's bushido. In either case, the character is generally Lawful, because he is beholden to a specific and public code, and can be held accountable to it. It's not just some code he's cobbled together for himself based on his own whims, and that is subject to change when it's inconvenient. Why you act in an Evil manner has little to no bearing on your alignment. A pattern of Evil actions makes you Evil, whether you do it out of fun, or out of some twisted psychological need to be seen as a monster. However, as I noted above, I agree that Sawyer isn't Evil. One such action does not make for an alignment change. If he had used that as an opportunity to change his behaviour (as, arguably, he did in CoR) then that would have some weight. [/QUOTE]
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