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<blockquote data-quote="ivocaliban" data-source="post: 3288652" data-attributes="member: 17596"><p>Quite a few of these I don't recognize, myself...</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Agreed.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I would agree, but I can see the argument. What gets lost in all of the action, however, is that Indy is a professor and thinks that all these fantastic relics he's after belong in a museum or in the hands of fellow archaeologists. All of this points to a very ordered and lawful way of thinking, but it's true that Indy often behaves closer to Neutral or even Chaotic in the course of the films. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I think Roger Moore's Bond is definitely Lawful Evil throughout most of his films. It's just that his personal style (and funky 70's attire) make him seem far more benign than Connery's Bond. After all this is the same Bond that in <em>Live Or Let Die</em>, pretty much forces himself on Solitaire, robbing her of her of both her virginity and her gift as a seer. He also kills people quite off-handedly in <em>The Spy Who Loved Me</em>. After questioning Sandor he chooses to let him drop to his death without any hesitation. Later he shoots Stromberg numerous times, including once in what was likely the crotch, when certainly one well-placed bullet would have done the trick. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>This always brings up an interesting question for me. What if your image has a different alignment than your behavior? True, the early Han Solo appears as Chaotic Neutral in his behavior, but he's also very Neutral in his mindset. He's essentially a businessman who is only interested in saving his own neck and making a buck. Of course, the business he's engaged in is illegal so that certainly makes one think he must be Chaotic. Difficult to say.</p><p></p><p>Reminds me of Rick Blaine in <em>Casablanca</em> who obviously wants the world to believe he's Neutral and doesn't get involved. However, it's clear through his secret actions that he is generally Good, underneath it all.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Boba Fett is a bounty hunter that works for the Empire. He doesn't do very much in the films, agreed, but as a bounty hunter he is working for a Lawful establishment and he seems to be very deferential when it comes to people of authority. I would assume that his profession is fraught with rules to follow, permits to obtain and so forth. As for the Evil part, I can agree. I'd probably have pegged him as Lawful Neutral from the films alone.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I think Mystique is the epitome of Neutral Evil. Again, however, her frenetic nature, her powers, and even her sense of humor, makes her appear more Chaotic. Still, she only acts when it serves her own interest or the interests of those she serves. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Of the ones I'm familiar with, I agree.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Makes me wonder what alignment you think Donald Trump is...*heehee*</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>So a Paladin in Baator would be beholden to its laws? Captain America (assuming you agree he's Lawful Good) in Nazi Germany would be beholden to its laws? </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>The Lawful Neutral description in the PHB clearly states: "[The character] may believe in personal order and live by a code or standard..." It's reasonable to think that "personal order" and "codes and standards" will differ from town to town, nation to nation, world to world...and that the laws themselves clash. </p><p></p><p>Just as Indiana Jones thinks that the world's artifacts belong in museums for study, the descendants of the natives who created the artifacts might have different views. So might the occupying forces who displaced the natives in the first place and use the artifacts for target practice. All of them have some claim to a Lawful belief. Whose law should be obeyed? The one who wants to study and protect the relic, the ones with ancestral ties to the relic, or the ones who just happen to have all the military force in the same region as the relic?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="ivocaliban, post: 3288652, member: 17596"] Quite a few of these I don't recognize, myself... Agreed. I would agree, but I can see the argument. What gets lost in all of the action, however, is that Indy is a professor and thinks that all these fantastic relics he's after belong in a museum or in the hands of fellow archaeologists. All of this points to a very ordered and lawful way of thinking, but it's true that Indy often behaves closer to Neutral or even Chaotic in the course of the films. I think Roger Moore's Bond is definitely Lawful Evil throughout most of his films. It's just that his personal style (and funky 70's attire) make him seem far more benign than Connery's Bond. After all this is the same Bond that in [I]Live Or Let Die[/I], pretty much forces himself on Solitaire, robbing her of her of both her virginity and her gift as a seer. He also kills people quite off-handedly in [I]The Spy Who Loved Me[/I]. After questioning Sandor he chooses to let him drop to his death without any hesitation. Later he shoots Stromberg numerous times, including once in what was likely the crotch, when certainly one well-placed bullet would have done the trick. This always brings up an interesting question for me. What if your image has a different alignment than your behavior? True, the early Han Solo appears as Chaotic Neutral in his behavior, but he's also very Neutral in his mindset. He's essentially a businessman who is only interested in saving his own neck and making a buck. Of course, the business he's engaged in is illegal so that certainly makes one think he must be Chaotic. Difficult to say. Reminds me of Rick Blaine in [I]Casablanca[/I] who obviously wants the world to believe he's Neutral and doesn't get involved. However, it's clear through his secret actions that he is generally Good, underneath it all. Boba Fett is a bounty hunter that works for the Empire. He doesn't do very much in the films, agreed, but as a bounty hunter he is working for a Lawful establishment and he seems to be very deferential when it comes to people of authority. I would assume that his profession is fraught with rules to follow, permits to obtain and so forth. As for the Evil part, I can agree. I'd probably have pegged him as Lawful Neutral from the films alone. I think Mystique is the epitome of Neutral Evil. Again, however, her frenetic nature, her powers, and even her sense of humor, makes her appear more Chaotic. Still, she only acts when it serves her own interest or the interests of those she serves. Of the ones I'm familiar with, I agree. Makes me wonder what alignment you think Donald Trump is...*heehee* So a Paladin in Baator would be beholden to its laws? Captain America (assuming you agree he's Lawful Good) in Nazi Germany would be beholden to its laws? The Lawful Neutral description in the PHB clearly states: "[The character] may believe in personal order and live by a code or standard..." It's reasonable to think that "personal order" and "codes and standards" will differ from town to town, nation to nation, world to world...and that the laws themselves clash. Just as Indiana Jones thinks that the world's artifacts belong in museums for study, the descendants of the natives who created the artifacts might have different views. So might the occupying forces who displaced the natives in the first place and use the artifacts for target practice. All of them have some claim to a Lawful belief. Whose law should be obeyed? The one who wants to study and protect the relic, the ones with ancestral ties to the relic, or the ones who just happen to have all the military force in the same region as the relic? [/QUOTE]
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