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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Imret" data-source="post: 1956297" data-attributes="member: 991">Gotta say, I'm with Joshua on this one, with an exception...I'm not real fond of the barbarian. I like the rogue, I like the fighter, I like the druid, and the cleric's not bad. I know some people find them overpowered, I don't, YMMV.I find the core "full arcane casters" to be dull as dishwater. Not the fault of the magic system, in my opinion, just....there's no flair. Every 1st level wizard I've ever seen has the same half-dozen spells, because they're the useful ones. It doesn't feel like one commands the awesome forces of the arcane with word and gesture, you feel like a supply clerk. Sorcerors.....eh. Just not fond of them myself. Not enough spells IMO, but too easily broken with more.The ranger and the paladin are interesting concepts, but IMO badly executed. I've never liked spellcasting rangers, and the paladin is not only under-equipped for his role, it's WotC balancing (slight) mechanical advantages with roleplaying disadvantages. The best part being, these disadvantages are the perfect combination of strict and vague to spawn near-endless controversy amongst players (as a search for "paladin" would almost certainly show you).I simply cannot understand the bard. I see the need for the role the bard plays in the party, except...bardic music annoys the hell out of me as an ability. I just don't like the character image it spawns. Barbarians strike me as something better suited to a template and some feats. Monks...well...monks are the most riding-on-rails class I've ever seen.Prestige classes are another matter entirely. I've probably used....two dozen non-core PrC's in my DMing. Sometimes I see one in another book, and I think "THAT'S the villain's prestige class".Or, in conclusion - I disagree with the OP. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /></blockquote>

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