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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Davelozzi" data-source="post: 1240422" data-attributes="member: 771">Good point.Because it's a valid character type even for a beginning character.  To me, that's what should differentiate base classes and prestige classes more than degree of specialization.  That's why, like many others, I treat paladins as a prestige class because it my campaign it's part of a knightly order that someone has to qualify for through living up to high ideals. But a gladiator (presented as a PrC in Sword & Fist) is more something that you aspire to move away from, not towards, and hence is better handled as a straight fighter.  Whereas, something like the swashbuckler to me seems like it should be a valid way to go from level 1 up, and hence worthy of consideration as a base class (or at least a variant of one).  I've read the new swashbuckler class but not given it an in-depth enough study to decide how well it does it's job, but I agree regardless that it's a job that is worth doing.</blockquote>