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Message: <blockquote data-quote="krunchyfrogg" data-source="post: 5309801" data-attributes="member: 10107">How would you approach her to suggest  she get some counseling?  Everything I've tried has failed.BTW, sorry for misleading, I actually live in NJ.  The "Shermer, Illinois" was a joke, and now it's a very old joke (it's been a long time since I was active on these forums).  Update made. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />I don't know what to do about the abandonment issue.  Am I better off staying with her screaming at me, telling me to get out?  Or am I better off just leaving (for the baby's sake, much less hers, my own, and all the neighbors... our condo is a glorified apartment)?I will be taking you up on the PMs.  Make sure your inbox has some space in the near future!  Thanks!-----------BTW, I'm posting from home right now.  I decided to stop in to get some clothes, so I would at least be able to wear something fresh tomorrow.  I was surprised to find the chain off the door, and I walked right in.  My wife was getting ready to go out with the baby, which might have been the reason for the chain off the door.  I said "I won't be in your way, I'm just here for some of my things".  Neither of us said a word to each other after that, and she walked out after just a few minutes.The moment she left, I made sure she heard me locking and chaining the door with her still in the hallway.  That was proof enough to me (moments later) that I'm still extremely angry with her.  I know now it was an immature reaction.  Anyway, she left and I saw her drive away.I deemed it "safe" to throw out some trash, do some dishes, and basically try to make it a bit more pleasant in the condo for her and the baby when they get home.  Now, I kind of regret doing that, because if my intent is for her to notice the things I do when I'm not around anymore, the impact of the things I do is lessened if they're actually done.  Oh well, it's not like I'm going to put the trash back now.I took out the anniversary gift I got her, and displayed it on the dining room table.Right about then, I noticed a text message from her.  It read: "What do you want?"Me: I want you to call your friends and have dinner with them tonight.  It's been far too long since you've seen them, and they'd love to see the baby.  It would do you good to go out and socialize with some other people.  I know when I went to the Ren Faire and hung out with Matt for a few hours it was very refreshing and made me feel really good.Her: I am outside now to talk to youMe: I want it to work between us, but that's not going to happen right now.There's too much anger, sadness, and resentment.We need time apart.  If we are going to work, I need you to realize my value.Her: goodbye for goodHer: good riddanceMe: (quoting good riddance): my point is proven.  I'll still talk, but I don't think it's a good idea.I still haven't heard back after that.I don't know if I should stay here, or head back to my job (40 min drive).  I really don't think talking is what's best right now.  It will just lead to more hurt feelings.  Maybe I'm wrong, I don't know.</blockquote>

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