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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Kelleris" data-source="post: 3642942" data-attributes="member: 19130">So my Bard/Lyric Thaumaturge/Sublime Chord is somewhere halfway through a converted version of the Axe of the Dwarvish Lords and we're throwing down with an evil goblin king who's wielding the eponymous axe, his wereboar berserker (heh) minions, and some high-level cleric of Maglubiyet.  I, being something of an anti-caster, have ended up with the unenviable job of using my (level 14) character to prevent the (level 18) wizardly BBEG from killing everyone before the nasty-in-their-own-right mooks and pumped-up goblinoids can be taken care of.  Naturally, I figure that I had better go in with everything I've got, which led to the following rather confusing sequence of actions:Archmage goes first, readies an action to (I later find out), wound me grievously if I try to cast a spell.  So when I start to cast, the mage drops a quickened Otiluke's resilient sphere and a delayed blast fireball on me.  I survive because of my freakishly-high-for-a-primary-caster Reflex save (go multiple Bard-type classes!), and get off the spells because of the miracle of Melodic Casting, but decide that, clearly, it's time to go right to my biggest guns.I cast a swift action creaking cacophony from a lesser spell matrix, and follow up with a song of arcane power to get my CL up to the archmages and strip his magical defenses off of him with a greater dispel magic.  So far, so good, but I also happen to have an item familiar with imbue familiar with spell ability on it, who has already used its action to use arcane sight to find out what the archmage had up already.  This strikes me as an excellent time to have the +2 to CL from the harmonic chorus spell, so I have my familiar cast celerity to grab a standard action and throw a harmonic chorus on me.  Many successful dispel checks are rolled (yay!), and I finish my turn.I begin to suspect that this is still not enough, despite the exorbitantly high Concentration DC of the cacophony and the debuffing I laid down.  And he's going to go before I get to go again, because his readied action left me right after his initiative count.  So I cast celerity myself and throw out a distort speech spell, because an archmage with a 70-80% spell failure is an archmage I can (maybe) live with.  Unfortunately, he gets a 17 on his Fortitude save (dastard!), which leaves him right in an annoying sweet spot - if my familiar's harmonic chorus spell is still up, he fails the save, but if it isn't, he makes it.  I would really, really like for him to fail this saving throw.The problem is that my familiar is dazed, from the celerity spell it used to cast the harmonic chorus in the first place.  But, because of the second celerity that I myself cast, this chorus-enhanced casting of distort speech is actually occurring between my first and second turns - my familiar has not had the opportunity to not be able to take a standard action to concentrate on maintaining the chorus.  So is it still up, or not?  Did it go caput the instant the familiar became no longer able to take actions for 1 round (though still conscious), by dazing itself, or does it end at the beginning of my next turn the turn after I use it, when I "decide" not to concentrate on it?I'm sure there's a simple answer somewhere, but I can't find it, after checking the PHB skill description and concentration duration description in the spells chapter...  We're paused at the top of the next round until next session, and this is kinda life-and-death.    <img src="http://www.enworld.org/forum/images/smilies/nervous.png"  class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":heh:" title="Nervous Laugh    :heh:" data-shortname=":heh:" />  Does anyone know how this should work out?</blockquote>

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