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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Tovec" data-source="post: 5954790" data-attributes="member: 95493">I don't advocate that at all. I provide a reason why it is possible. You advocate that the fighters better be 'magical' too or else get out. I would rather keep both classes around and just reduce the availability of magic being able to do ANYTHING without reason or cause.If you'll note both of my posts in this thread you'll see that IF the fighter becomes a god then that is fine. Epic path or no. Otherwise they shouldn't display godlike powers.Okay, first I would speculate that either the Irish king has some form of magic, god-blood in his veins or simply DIDN'T do what he is known to have done. If he is just a "fighter" then there is no earthly explanation of how he could have done what he did without magic.I would propose this because he is an example from the real world (not one of 4e) where people who aren't gods or don't have magic aren't typically able to perform such feats (again I can't think of a better term).So the solution you propose is to remove anyone who can't wield magic... because ... people who can wield magic are overpowered? Mine would be to remove (or decrease) those who are overpowered, *shrug* that is just my preference I guess. I would prefer to eliminate things that would break my game instead of making EVERYONE in my game have powers that can break the game.It isn't necessary to "Bring us all together" by appeasing the lowest common denominator. It is peferable to make a good system with internal consistency and then get everyone to play by the new rules instead of trying to take bits and pieces from all the old editions and string them together to form a new Frankenstein of an edition where no one is happy. It is definitely preferable to avoid taking controversial aspects of previous editions, thereby pissing people off who disliked that aspect, and introducing it into a new edition.Also, it doesn't have anything to do with 4e's anything. It has to do with simple expectations and what the game should do. I understand you want no one but magic users in the game but I don't see that happening any time soon so maybe "advocating" it isn't really getting you anywhere Tony.</blockquote>

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