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<blockquote data-quote="FireLance" data-source="post: 5505527" data-attributes="member: 3424">I'm of the view that a game needs both simplicity and complexity. Simplicity makes it easy to get into the game. Complexity keeps you engaged with the game.One of the best examples of a game that is both simple and complex (IMO) is chess. You can learn how each of the pieces move in less than ten minutes. However, there are probably millions of ways to combine those moves into potentially viable strategies.As the OP's posts point out, even a 1st-level character in 3e and especially 4e is fairly complex. And that complexity is probably needed to sustain continued interest in the game.&nbsp; However, what I think is missing is some way to break up that initial complexity into bite-sized chunks for a player that is just starting to get into the game, something like the introductory tutorials that most recent CRPGs have.For 4e, I have considered the idea of having a &quot;Novice&quot; level, where the PC just has access to at-will abilities, and an &quot;Apprentice&quot; level, where encounter abilities are introduced, before the character &quot;graduates&quot; to first level and gets access to his daily abilities.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="FireLance, post: 5505527, member: 3424"] I'm of the view that a game needs both simplicity and complexity. Simplicity makes it easy to get into the game. Complexity keeps you engaged with the game. One of the best examples of a game that is both simple and complex (IMO) is chess. You can learn how each of the pieces move in less than ten minutes. However, there are probably millions of ways to combine those moves into potentially viable strategies. As the OP's posts point out, even a 1st-level character in 3e and especially 4e is fairly complex. And that complexity is probably needed to sustain continued interest in the game. However, what I think is missing is some way to break up that initial complexity into bite-sized chunks for a player that is just starting to get into the game, something like the introductory tutorials that most recent CRPGs have. For 4e, I have considered the idea of having a "Novice" level, where the PC just has access to at-will abilities, and an "Apprentice" level, where encounter abilities are introduced, before the character "graduates" to first level and gets access to his daily abilities. [/QUOTE]

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