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Message: <blockquote data-quote="I'm A Banana" data-source="post: 3433943" data-attributes="member: 2067">Here's where it gets me:PC: I grab his head and slam it into the table!(Step 1: are you in reach?)(Step 1a: Do you win initiative?)(Step 2: You need to make a touch attack to grab him. Because he has a weapon, this provokes an attack of opportunity)(Step 3: He makes an attack of opportunity, hits, and deals damage. Does this negate your attempt to touch him, or can you still do it?)(Step 4: Assuming you can, you make your touch attack to grab him.)(Step 5: Make opposed Grapple checks to see if you can grapple with him)(Step 6: Assuming you win, move into his space. This provokes attacks of opportunity from his buddies)(Step 7: Resolve his buddie's attacks of opportunity. One or two hit. You've taken some damage grabbing him)(Step 8: Are you still within the reach of the table?)(Step 9: Now that you're grappling, what does this fall under? You're not doing unarmed damage, it's more like you're controlling his body, so you need to achieve a pin. You can't do that unless you have more than one attack/round)(Step 10: You don't)(Step 11: He takes an an action. He tries to undo your grapple. If he does, to grab his head again, you'd need to go through steps 1-9 again)(Step 12: He doesn't. Your turn. You need to make another Grapple check to pin him)(Step 13: You do. Now you slam his head against the table)(Step 14: How much damage does this do?)....the entire action should take about one second. Grab, slam, laugh. But it doesn't. It takes several rounds of combat and more than 5 d20 rolls. All for what I'd rule is 1d3+STR damage from slamming someone's head into a table. The complexity of attack doesn't become much of an issue until it stops me from actually envisioning what my character does. It becomes a barrier to fantasy, not an aide.</blockquote>

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