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Message: <blockquote data-quote="MerricB" data-source="post: 3435513" data-attributes="member: 3586">The trouble is that you haven't properly envisioned the action. The action is "The PC makes an unarmed attack", not "The PC grapples the opponent, then pins him, then damages him". The effect you want is to deal unarmed damage to the opponent, nothing more - thus, it's an unarmed attack. The way it looks is entirely in the mind of the players.Grappling reads as complicated, but it basically boils down to: "If you want to do something in a grapple, make an opposed grapple check".For AD&D, the original grappling system was...1). Determine first attack based on...a) surpriseb) charging to attackc) higher Dexd) higher die roll - in that order2) Base score to grapplea) +1% per point of attacker's Dexb) +10% if defender in leather or paddedc) +20% if defender in chain, ring or scaled) +30% if defender in banded, plate or splinte) +20% if defender slowed or stunnerf) -10%/3" if opponent base movement 3" fasterg) -20% if opponent hasted3) if a hold is gained, roll dice again to determine what hold gained. Modifiers:a) +1% per point of attacker's Dexb) +1% per point of attacker's Strc) +1% per 10% point of attacker's Str over 18d) +10% opponent slowede) +20% opponent stunnedf) +30% opponent helplessg) +/-5% per 10% weight difference (attacker)h) +/-5% per 10% height difference (attacker), halved if pronei) -2% per point of defender's Dex over 14j) -1% per point of defender's Str over 12k) -1% per 10% point of defender's Str over 18l) -10% opponent wearing banded or plate mailm) -10% opponent wearing gorget and helmetn) -10% opponent wearing shield4) Look up result on this table:a) under 21 - waist clinch, opponent may counter, no damageb) 21-40 - arm lock//forearm/elbow smash, 1+Str bonus damagec) 41-55 - hand/finger lock/bite, 2+Str bonus damaged) 56-70 - bear hug/trip, 3+Str bonus damagee) 71-85 - headlock//flip or throw, 5+Str bonus damagef) 86-95 - stranglehold//head butt, 6+Str bonus damageg) over 95 - kick/knee/gouge, 8+Str bonus damage, opponent stunned(any hold remains in place until opponent rolls a better hold; damage accrues until hold is broken or attacker opts for better hold; opponent may still inflict damage with lesser holds noted by double slashes).No wonder it got replaced in UA!Cheers!</blockquote>

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