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<blockquote data-quote="Asmor" data-source="post: 3812206" data-attributes="member: 1154"><p>Obligatory whenever a discussion on random numbers takes place:</p><p></p><p><img src="http://wooledge.org/~greg/dilbert.gif" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " data-size="" style="" /></p><p></p><p><img src="http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/random_number.png" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " data-size="" style="" /></p><p><a href="http://xkcd.com/221/" target="_blank">RFC 1149.5 specifies 4 as the standard IEEE-vetted random number.</a></p><p></p><p>It's impossible to generate truly random numbers with just a computer. Instead, computers generate pseudo-random numbers.</p><p></p><p>It is, however, possible to generate random numbers when you have a random seed... For example, there was some project a while back that used a webcam and a lava lamp to generate random numbers. The lava lamp provided the random seed. As another example, a program I use, called KeePass, generated random passwords by asking you to either bang on the keyboard a bit or move the mouse wildly. In these cases, the numbers truly are random.</p><p></p><p>Well, truly random, I guess, depends on your philosophy... Being a determinist, myself, I don't think anything is truly random in the grand scheme of things.</p><p></p><p>But I digress. Anyways, back on topic, the vast majority of random number generators out there use pseudo-random numbers. This is actually a fairly important field of research, because frankly computers as we know them are heavily, heavily reliant on pseudo-random numbers. Most databases use a technique called hashing to quickly store and retrieve information, and basically a hash function returns a pseudo-random number which is always the same for a given input, but even a slight variation changes the output value drastically. So basically, my point is that pseudo-random number generation is a very important topic, and there's a lot of really, really smart people who've put a lot of hard work into the field.</p><p></p><p>So, in conclusion, are computer-generated random numbers actually random? No. Are pseudo-random numbers close enough? More than likely. If you've got an important enough application where the difference between pseudo-random and actually-random numbers mattered, you probably wouldn't have had to ask this question in the first place.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Asmor, post: 3812206, member: 1154"] Obligatory whenever a discussion on random numbers takes place: [img]http://wooledge.org/~greg/dilbert.gif[/img] [img]http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/random_number.png[/img] [url=http://xkcd.com/221/]RFC 1149.5 specifies 4 as the standard IEEE-vetted random number.[/url] It's impossible to generate truly random numbers with just a computer. Instead, computers generate pseudo-random numbers. It is, however, possible to generate random numbers when you have a random seed... For example, there was some project a while back that used a webcam and a lava lamp to generate random numbers. The lava lamp provided the random seed. As another example, a program I use, called KeePass, generated random passwords by asking you to either bang on the keyboard a bit or move the mouse wildly. In these cases, the numbers truly are random. Well, truly random, I guess, depends on your philosophy... Being a determinist, myself, I don't think anything is truly random in the grand scheme of things. But I digress. Anyways, back on topic, the vast majority of random number generators out there use pseudo-random numbers. This is actually a fairly important field of research, because frankly computers as we know them are heavily, heavily reliant on pseudo-random numbers. Most databases use a technique called hashing to quickly store and retrieve information, and basically a hash function returns a pseudo-random number which is always the same for a given input, but even a slight variation changes the output value drastically. So basically, my point is that pseudo-random number generation is a very important topic, and there's a lot of really, really smart people who've put a lot of hard work into the field. So, in conclusion, are computer-generated random numbers actually random? No. Are pseudo-random numbers close enough? More than likely. If you've got an important enough application where the difference between pseudo-random and actually-random numbers mattered, you probably wouldn't have had to ask this question in the first place. [/QUOTE]
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