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<blockquote data-quote="Raven Crowking" data-source="post: 3646920" data-attributes="member: 18280">Those being the operative words.&nbsp; <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile&nbsp; &nbsp; :)"&nbsp; data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />Eventually, though, Quasqueton also started a thread to explore why the conclusions drawn by those quotes and textual references don't actually speak to a number of gamers.&nbsp; For example, despite the fact that I used the 1e UA with many gamers in Wisconsin, Indiana, Lousiana, and Virginia, I never ran into any real problems with the book.&nbsp; That's a lot of consistent &quot;no worries&quot; that is the exact opposite of many other people's experience.I have now come to believe that many 3e threads have a similar genesis.&nbsp; Depending upon our makeup as gamers, and the &quot;reader filter&quot; we come to the text with, some things are serious problems for one group while they don't even show on the radar of others.&nbsp; This is something I think is less dependent upon edition, and more dependent upon the nature of language/human beings.I am not questioning that Quasqueton wants to &quot;clear up&quot; what he views as &quot;misunderstandings&quot; about earlier editions; I am questioning why he feels it is necessary.&nbsp; By extension, I am questioning why I feel it is necessary as well.I think we've covered the stat generation.&nbsp; The others were all already answered upthread, I believe, before you singled out the 9d6.&nbsp; Which is why I only answered the 9d6 question.Interestingly enough, though, &quot;+3 to hit and damage and extra attacks at 1st level, raising the level limits for pretty much every race in the game, [and] incrementally increasing stats&quot; were all supplied in one book, and made available to everyone.&nbsp; It was called the 3.0 PHB.&nbsp;&nbsp; <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big grin&nbsp; &nbsp; :D"&nbsp; data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" /> In 1e, in order to use class or race options, you had to meet prerequisites, which, depending upon your DM, might mean that you got the chance to have very few of the UA perks.&nbsp; Remembering that, in 1e, any &quot;rule&quot; was an &quot;optional rule&quot; if the DM said so, I believe that the PHB says that new characters begin at 1st level, and I believe that the DMG advised against granting unearned levels.&nbsp; But I would have to check to be certain.Unless MerricB is around.&nbsp; He's pretty much an authority on this sort of thing.&nbsp; <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big grin&nbsp; &nbsp; :D"&nbsp; data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" />RC</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Raven Crowking, post: 3646920, member: 18280"] Those being the operative words. :) Eventually, though, Quasqueton also started a thread to explore why the conclusions drawn by those quotes and textual references don't actually speak to a number of gamers. For example, despite the fact that I used the 1e UA with many gamers in Wisconsin, Indiana, Lousiana, and Virginia, I never ran into any real problems with the book. That's a lot of consistent "no worries" that is the exact opposite of many other people's experience. I have now come to believe that many 3e threads have a similar genesis. Depending upon our makeup as gamers, and the "reader filter" we come to the text with, some things are serious problems for one group while they don't even show on the radar of others. This is something I think is less dependent upon edition, and more dependent upon the nature of language/human beings. I am not questioning that Quasqueton wants to "clear up" what he views as "misunderstandings" about earlier editions; I am questioning why he feels it is necessary. By extension, I am questioning why I feel it is necessary as well. I think we've covered the stat generation. The others were all already answered upthread, I believe, before you singled out the 9d6. Which is why I only answered the 9d6 question. Interestingly enough, though, "+3 to hit and damage and extra attacks at 1st level, raising the level limits for pretty much every race in the game, [and] incrementally increasing stats" were all supplied in one book, and made available to everyone. It was called the 3.0 PHB. :D In 1e, in order to use class or race options, you had to meet prerequisites, which, depending upon your DM, might mean that you got the chance to have very few of the UA perks. Remembering that, in 1e, any "rule" was an "optional rule" if the DM said so, I believe that the PHB says that new characters begin at 1st level, and I believe that the DMG advised against granting unearned levels. But I would have to check to be certain. Unless MerricB is around. He's pretty much an authority on this sort of thing. :D RC [/QUOTE]

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