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<blockquote data-quote="Quasqueton" data-source="post: 3652719" data-attributes="member: 3854">Interesting. I've never noticed anyone say munckins and jerk DMs were an out-of-control problem *only* in AD&amp;D1 days, or that D&amp;D3 was a remedy for munckings and jerk DMs. (I'm trying to stay true to your statement, so if I misparaphrase, call me on it.)I've seen people say that munchkins and jerk DMs existed in AD&amp;D1 days just like they exist in the current D&amp;D3 days. (I say this, myself. No game system can elimiate jerks from the player pool.)I've also seen people say that D&amp;D3 created and promotes munchkinism and jerk Players. And that munchkins and jerks didn't exist in AD&amp;D1 days because the rules prevented or didn't allow it.It's these last two claims that I often find counter evidence on. And the evidence I find supports the first statement.I regulary find evidence that D&amp;D's heart and soul, Players and DMs, play styles and annoyances are pretty much the same now as they were 10, 20, and 30 years ago. I'm shocked that so many find this concept. . . heretical.Quasqueton</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Quasqueton, post: 3652719, member: 3854"] Interesting. I've never noticed anyone say munckins and jerk DMs were an out-of-control problem *only* in AD&D1 days, or that D&D3 was a remedy for munckings and jerk DMs. (I'm trying to stay true to your statement, so if I misparaphrase, call me on it.) I've seen people say that munchkins and jerk DMs [i]existed[/i] in AD&D1 days [i]just like they exist[/i] in the current D&D3 days. (I say this, myself. No game system can elimiate jerks from the player pool.) I've also seen people say that D&D3 [i]created and promotes[/i] munchkinism and jerk Players. And that munchkins and jerks didn't exist in AD&D1 days [i]because the rules prevented or didn't allow it.[/i] It's these last two claims that I often find counter evidence on. And the evidence I find supports the first statement. I regulary find evidence that D&D's heart and soul, Players and DMs, play styles and annoyances are pretty much the same now as they were 10, 20, and 30 years ago. I'm shocked that so many find this concept. . . heretical. Quasqueton [/QUOTE]

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