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<blockquote data-quote="Raven Crowking" data-source="post: 3663850" data-attributes="member: 18280">No, it's more like saying that a tricycle isn't an automobile, as an automobile was originally defined, regardless of the fact that they share some points of simularity (ex:&nbsp; vehicle, tires, steering), and regardless of how many people now call it an automobile.Of course, you agreed with me in one thread, which is over your quota for this year, and if we agreed in another thread before January, I am afraid that the Internet would not only explode, but also implode at the same time!As I said above, many words and terms evolve, and gain additional meanings over time.&nbsp; Certainly, there is a concerted effort by the designers of certain types of games to market them by using the RPG term as a means of reaching an existing market.As the term is now used, I would agree that a secondary definition of &quot;role-playing game&quot; may now exist which, in fact, denotes a simulation of the original definition.What I will not agree to is that the secondary definition is therefore the same thing as the original definition.&nbsp; Attempts to conflate the two are disingenous, and lead to errors in reasoning, just as attempt to conflate &quot;roleplaying&quot;, &quot;role assumption&quot;, and &quot;play acting&quot; do.Within the context of the statement that roleplaying has declined, earlier on this thread, the original definition is the only relevant definition.&nbsp; Attempts to use secondary definitions are spurious at best.Many words have alternate definitions, some of which are mutually exclusive, and some of which can fall under an overarching meta-defintion.&nbsp; Surely, both definitions here are &quot;adventure simulation games&quot; as both the automobile and tricycle are &quot;wheeled vehicles&quot;.&nbsp; That doesn't mean that they are the same thing.&nbsp; Indeed, thinking that they are the same thing might have something to do with why roleplaying (original meaning) is declining in the first place.&nbsp; If people imagine that the tabletop game is or should be as limited as the computer simulations thereof, no wonder they don't want to put in the effort.RC</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Raven Crowking, post: 3663850, member: 18280"] No, it's more like saying that a tricycle isn't an automobile, as an automobile was originally defined, regardless of the fact that they share some points of simularity (ex: vehicle, tires, steering), and regardless of how many people now call it an automobile. Of course, you agreed with me in one thread, which is over your quota for this year, and if we agreed in another thread before January, I am afraid that the Internet would not only explode, but also implode at the same time! As I said above, many words and terms evolve, and gain additional meanings over time. Certainly, there is a concerted effort by the designers of certain types of games to market them by using the RPG term as a means of reaching an existing market. As the term is now used, I would agree that a secondary definition of "role-playing game" may now exist which, in fact, denotes a simulation of the original definition. What I will not agree to is that the secondary definition is therefore the same thing as the original definition. Attempts to conflate the two are disingenous, and lead to errors in reasoning, just as attempt to conflate "roleplaying", "role assumption", and "play acting" do. [i]Within the context of the statement that roleplaying has declined[/i], earlier on this thread, the original definition is the only relevant definition. Attempts to use secondary definitions are spurious at best. Many words have alternate definitions, some of which are mutually exclusive, and some of which can fall under an overarching meta-defintion. Surely, both definitions here are "adventure simulation games" as both the automobile and tricycle are "wheeled vehicles". That doesn't mean that they are the same thing. Indeed, thinking that they are the same thing might have something to do with why roleplaying (original meaning) is declining in the first place. If people imagine that the tabletop game is or should be as limited as the computer simulations thereof, no wonder they don't want to put in the effort. RC [/QUOTE]

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