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<blockquote data-quote="I'm A Banana" data-source="post: 3665263" data-attributes="member: 2067">I said there was a difference. I said that difference didn't matter enough, outside of a hardcore obsessive fanbase, to bother making a distinction betwen TRUE and FALSE RPG's. I kill a boss in Final Fantasy he stays dead. I kill the Earth Fiend, the peasant's fields start to re-grow. The dialogue with them changes. WoW, though it has great open-endedness, certainly falls short in empowering the player to change the world. Kind of like DM's who wouldn't let you kill Orcus because he had some sort of BS &quot;can only be TRULY killed on his HOME PLANE&quot; loophole. I'm not saying they're the same. I'm saying they're similar enough that the distinction that already exists between computer RPG's and tabletop RPG's is sufficient, and we don't really need to bother calling one &quot;really&quot; RPG's and the others just &quot;pretending to be&quot; RPG's, unless we want to get pedantic and condescending about *true* *role* *playing* like some Vampire LARPer looking down his nose at the people who roll dice around a table.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="I'm A Banana, post: 3665263, member: 2067"] I said there was a difference. I said that difference didn't matter enough, outside of a hardcore obsessive fanbase, to bother making a distinction betwen TRUE and FALSE RPG's. I kill a boss in Final Fantasy he stays dead. I kill the Earth Fiend, the peasant's fields start to re-grow. The dialogue with them changes. WoW, though it has great open-endedness, certainly falls short in empowering the player to change the world. Kind of like DM's who wouldn't let you kill Orcus because he had some sort of BS "can only be TRULY killed on his HOME PLANE" loophole. I'm not saying they're the same. I'm saying they're similar enough that the distinction that already exists between computer RPG's and tabletop RPG's is sufficient, and we don't really need to bother calling one "really" RPG's and the others just "pretending to be" RPG's, unless we want to get pedantic and condescending about *true* *role* *playing* like some Vampire LARPer looking down his nose at the people who roll dice around a table. [/QUOTE]

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